Is it time for a 195 lb. division in the UFC?


The UFC has continually added divisions over the last few years. With the merger of the WEC featherweights and bantamweights were added. Later flyweights and a women's bantamweight division was added. Talks about more women's divisions and even a men's 115 lb. division, but is a cruiser weight, or 195 lb. division a better idea? BloodyElbow's Rick Tim Burke recently posed the question:

Here's a wild thought though - instead of trying to corner the market share on another division that's going to struggle for a long time to gain a big fanbase, why not finally pull the trigger on a division that's been on the minds of fans for years? A division where there's already a ton of marketable talent? A division where a title belt would be an automatic draw on pay-per-view? Yes, I'm talking about the mythical 195-pound weight class. Or Franklinweight, if you will.

There would be a price to pay, of course. A 195-pound division would definitely siphon some talent from 185 and 205. Despite LHW being a division that draws very well, it's somewhat shallow. The UFC only has 34 fighters under contract at light heavyweight right now, less than half the number of welterweights they currently have (76). Middleweight could take the hit better because there are currently 62 guys under contract. But there would be growing pains, and elite big men don't grow on trees.

With that being said, the addition of a new title belt to prop up PPV's with (one that actually draws, unlike 125/135 or even 145) would be a huge benefit. It's certainly more rich in talent than a women's 145-lb division, or a 115-lb division. The roster wouldn't need to be expanded much for 195 to work. There's nothing to build because the fighters there are already built. You just throw in a belt, and have a four-man tournament similar to flyweight. An eight-man tournament would be even better and fans would be all over it, but White is notorious for his resistance to tourneys.

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Haulport site profile image  

8/11/13 12:12 AM by Haulport

Keeping 185 in your divisions would be disasterous........ two out of these three divisions would be practically empty: 185, 195 or 205 Go and do the work. Get all the top fighters at those weights and then disperse them into 175, 185, 195 & 205 and see how thin it gets..........

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8/10/13 6:43 PM by JackintheCrack

125 135 145 155 165 175 185 195 205 265   The fact is LW, WW and LHW are the deepest divisions in terms of star power. They can afford two new weight classes. Two more belts makes more fighters happy and makes more money for everyone. In the future a 220 division would be nice as the HW division gets deeper.

r_o_y site profile image  

8/10/13 1:56 PM by r_o_y

I never liked that heavyweight is 206 to 265. Feels like there should be something else there. All that more damn divisions!

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8/10/13 1:31 PM by Haulport

Why is it SO FUCKING HARD for people to understand that this is a horrible idea. There are not very man HUMAN MALES who are heavy (especially with cutting) and who are extremely talented at MMA. All a 190 or 195 or 220lbs. division would do is FUCK UP 185 and 205 which are super fucking THIN!!!!!! Does everyone who watches MMA have an IQ of 65?!?!?!?!?!? THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FIGHTERS OVER 185LBS. FOR ANY OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!! There are a TON of 170 and 155lbs. fighters to create a new division around there. This is what I have proposed several times (based on average weights of males from countries common in MMA and the existing fighter pool): Heavyweight = Over 210lbs. Light Heavyweight = Over 190lbs. to 210lbs. (95.5k) Cruiserweights = Over 176lbs. to 190lbs. (86.4k) Middleweights = Over 165lbs. to 176lbs. (80k) Welterweights = Over 154lbs. to 165lbs. (75k) Lightweights = Over 143lbs. to 154lbs. (70k) Featherweights = Over 135lbs. to 143lbs. (65k) Bantamweights = Over 128lbs. to 135lbs. (61.4k) Flyweight = Over 121lbs. to 128lbs. (58.2k) Junior Flyweight = Over 114lbs. to 121lbs. (55k) Super Minimum = Over 108lbs. to 114lbs. (51.8k) Minimumweight = Over 101lbs. to 108lbs. (49k)

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8/10/13 1:29 PM by KingofBJJ

Heavy Weights will never get cut.  They are the prime cash cows of every sport.  I don't care if it is a line backer, NBA center, kickboxer whatever.  People love the big men.  The only reason Mayweather is so large, is because there is a lack of good HW's out there to draw interest.  When Tyson was locked up there was still Holyfield vs Riddick Bowe fights.  Lennox Lewis.  The Great White "Hype" Tommy Morrison and to a lesser extent George Foreman.

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8/10/13 2:17 AM by Chromium

Some (mostly) objective observations. 1) None of the divisions are going to get cut in two anytime soon. The only one even down the road that is a possibility is HW, and only when there are enough HWs where that makes sense. But outside of amateur fights or special divisions in C-Leagues or lower, even a Cruiserweight divisions is something that won't be looked at seriously for 5-6 years at the earliest. 2) Strawweights coming to the UFC anytime soon is a myth. I've said this upwards of 20 times. That is not what the UFC went to Mexico for, the short answer is that was a bullshit story, and there are literally zero male Strawweights from Mexico or Central America active or retired in the entire Sherdog database of 125,000 fighters. Just about every male Strawweight remotely of note is in Asia, and none can speak English or Portugueuse (or even Spanish of French). In North American friggin' Women's Lightweight is a more coherent division, and even Invicta is holding off on that one. The UFC is probably open to the idea of male Strawweights some day, but not anytime soon. Again, this isn't likely to be revisited by the UFC in less than 5-6 years. 3) None of the divisional lines are going to change, except perhaps the upper limit on HW which may either go up or be eliminated outright. The current divisions have hierarchies. They have championships. They have legacies. They are part of the structure. Changing the lines officially  would be extremely difficult and make a still growing sport more confusing to newbies and hardcores alike. Absolutely no one promoting wants the current divisional lines shifted around, and the fans that want that all seem to have different ideas about where the new lines should be. I've seen half-a-dozen different suggestions for completely reorganizing them just in this thread alone. 4) The only additional divisions being looked at are a few extra Womens divisions. If you hate Women's MMA, the divisions would be small enough (less than 20 fighters each) that you'd barely notice them. If you don't hate WMMA, you get stronger cards because this would have quality fighters that wouldn't otherwise be able to compete in the UFC to have a stage there. Super Middleweight would just be diluting Middleweight and Light Heavyweight, without adding anyone new to the roster except a few marginal fighters at the bottom of the division. I do urge you to check out Tecia Torres vs. Thug Rose though if you're in the WMMA hater camp.

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8/10/13 12:54 AM by Stigga


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8/10/13 12:22 AM by jaytrainwreck

Aceweight imo

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8/9/13 4:22 PM by Attila

Enough facking weight classes! It would just water down the divisions as well as the prestige of being a UFC champion, not to mention being totally unnecessary. No fighter is too big for 185 but too small for 205 - he'll just have to cut slightly more or less weight and pack on slightly more or less muscle, each having pros and cons.