MD: Stopping T will be misery

 

The Nevada Athletic Commission recently voted unanimously to end Therapeutic Use Exemptions for Testosterone Replacement Therapy. That means some number of fighters, including Vitor Belfort, will have withdraw from TRT. In a interview with the ever-excellent FightLand, Dr. Neil Goodman, chairman of the Reproductive Endocrinology Scientific Committee for the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists, explains that quitting ain't easy.

"If a young guy comes in with low testosterone, my first thought is this guy’s been taking steroids," said Dr. Goodman. "And I’m usually right."

"When you come off of it, your testes are not working. And it may be months or years, or never, until they ever start making testosterone."

"I’ll say to him, 'Okay, what are you taking?' He’s honest with me and says he’s just taking injectable testosterone. I’ll say, 'Stop it.' In a couple of weeks, I’ll do some blood work and see what his baseline level is after he comes off the stuff. Then I’ll put him on some gel that’s going to give him a steady amount of testosterone, bring his level up to give him a 'normal' level of testosterone that he can stay on, let him have a chance to recover, and see what we can do after a few months.

"Some guys, I can get their testes to start working again. We use a drug called Clomiphene, and for those guys, it wakes up the brain computer that runs the show because it’s been shut down. If I have a shot at them coming back to normal with tapering down their gel and keeping them on Clomiphene, over about three or six months or more, I’ll start to see their testosterone production come back. I do a lot of infertility work, and a lot of the reason that we’re treating these guys is because they want to have a baby: They’re making zero sperm because the whole thing is shut off, and over time, I might be able to get them to produce sperm again.

"Every single guy whose exemption is getting taken away is going to come up with very low testosterone, and he won’t be able to compete, at least on the level that he might have been competing at."

"Their muscle strength will decline. They’ll put on some fat weight. Their moods will become depressive. They’ll have fatigue. It’ll be horrible—I feel bad for them. It’s going to be misery … I’m not saying all guys are going to have serious problems. It depends on what they’ve been on, how much they’ve been taking, what other drugs they’ve been on. It’s a mixed bag.

Any guy that’s coming off testosterone because of this ruling, he needs to see an endocrinologist. Do not go to any of these anti-aging guys. Don’t go to the family doctor. If he wants his health restored, he must see an endocrinologist. That’s my message, because that’s the only person with the training to help him deal with coming off the testosterone.

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GSPsShadyHandWraps site profile image  

3/5/14 4:17 PM by GSPsShadyHandWraps

"Can you please answer my question and tell me why a 43 year old guy who "feels fine" off TRT, even when he quits it cold turkey, was taking it for 7 years?"Is it really unfathomable to you that he went to his doctor and did a bunch of tests, his doctor said his testosterone levels are low and advised him to go on TRT (wich is $$ in the doctors pocket) and Dan like 99,9% of people does what his doctor tells him to do. And its perfectly believable that he felt fine without TRT and feels fine while on it. Suffering from low test doesnt mean you are on your deathbed, most people who arent diagnosed would probably just say they are stressedyou have a poster on this thread who said he "felt" no difference between being off and on TRT

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3/5/14 4:11 PM by TheKidAintMine

ttt

orcus site profile image  

3/5/14 4:02 PM by orcus

Here's what he said:""Every single guy whose exemption is getting taken away is going to come up with very low testosterone, and he won’t be able to compete, at least not on the level he was competing at."EVERY SINGLE GUY. Read it again. "Every single guy...won't be able to compete, at least on the level he was competing at." Does that sound like you'll "feel fine" when you quit?Next: " Every guy that goes to the commission and stops getting these exemptions, they’re going to have to get some testosterone to just keep them normal. They won’t be able to compete because their testosterone will just plummet."EVERY GUY. He doesn't say "some guys will feel fine with no extra test". He says "EVERY GUY...WON'T BE ABLE TO COMPETE".Yes, he throws in the disclaimer that he's not saying all guys will have "serious problems". In other words, there may be a guy who doesn't suffer from depression and be in "misery". But that's a far fucking cry from "feeling fine". "None of these things refute what i wrote. Its fact that a lower dose will make you recover faster and a higher dose will take longer to recover from. "And? So because a lower dose means you recover from the "misery" somewhat faster means there's nothing weird about Dan "feeling fine" the second he stops TRT cold turkey after being on it for 7 years or more? Can you please answer my question and tell me why a 43 year old guy who "feels fine" off TRT, even when he quits it cold turkey, was taking it for 7 years?"obviously the same applies to your precious Vitor, if TRT is a medical necessity then he should retire, not quit his medical regimen and risk his health."The thing is, I don't give a shit about Vitor -- in fact I don't even like him -- so I don't try to tailor all my arguments to protect or hurt one fighter or another.If Vitor needs TRT, he will probably just cheat and take test anyway like everybody else already is.

GSPsShadyHandWraps site profile image  

3/5/14 3:36 PM by GSPsShadyHandWraps

"lol...he literally begins his list by saying "EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER WITH AN EXEMPTION" and then repeats it and says "EVERY GUY". Of course he throws in a disclaimer since there's always some anomalous case you can't account for."The fuck. Either read it properly or dont try to refute it at all. He says every guy with an exemption is going to have low testosterone. Then he mentions a bunch of side-effects and mentions that not everyone will have these since it depends on their dosage, type of drug and length of time. You realize he is not talking about the same thing in those specific quotes?"There you go again, pretending his tacked-on disclaimer to forestall the inevitable "you're wrong, 1 out of 10 million guys can be just fine when they go off it" nit-pickers somehow completely contradicts his previous use of the words "every single fighter with an exemption" and "every guy [that goes off TRT]".Its not a disclaimer. Its your lack of reading comprehension "So AGAIN: If he "felt fine" without it then why the fuck was he taking it? You are aware that a reputable doctor isn't just going to start someone on TRT who "feels fine" just because their test is 200 or 300, right? If your quality of life and health aren't significantly impaired, they don't just start slathering gel all over you for the hell of it."Are you serious? Do you live under a rock or in Narnia perhaps? And LMFAO @ "reputable doctor", like that roided out doctor in Vegas? Yeah he has no financial gain in prescribing testosterone. You are incredibly naive or you have been backpacking outside modern civilization for yearsNone of these things refute what i wrote. Its fact that a lower dose will make you recover faster and a higher dose will take longer to recover from. Even if i conceded your argument that Hendo was lying and that he never needed TRT in the first place if he feels fine without it, obviously the same applies to your precious Vitor, if TRT is a medical necessity then he should retire, not quit his medical regimen and risk his health.

orcus site profile image  

3/5/14 3:24 PM by orcus

"If you have to cheat just to play, you shouldnt even be playing at all."So strange how so many feel compelled to tell everyone else what they can and can't do, when you don't even know what the word "cheat" means.If the rules say you can do it, guess what: IT'S NOT CHEATING.

orcus site profile image  

3/5/14 3:23 PM by orcus

"Who cares? Do you read the beginning of the book to find out the end? He corrects himself right after the sentence you quoted wich makes the earlier sentence incorrect"lol...he literally begins his list by saying "EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER WITH AN EXEMPTION" and then repeats it and says "EVERY GUY". Of course he throws in a disclaimer since there's always some anomalous case you can't account for." i remember you going on a witchhunt against Overeem for doing the same thing as Vitor"No, you don't, because it never happened. I merely pointed out that 1) Overeem was obviously roiding and 2) his success in MMA coincided exactly with his enormous (steroid-fueled) increase in muscle mass."Hence the reason for the doctor mentioning it depends on how much of the drug you are taking and how long you have been on it, its dosage and time dependent "There you go again, pretending his tacked-on disclaimer to forestall the inevitable "you're wrong, 1 out of 10 million guys can be just fine when they go off it" nit-pickers somehow completely contradicts his previous use of the words "every single fighter with an exemption" and "every guy [that goes off TRT]"."You realize that you can feel just fine even with low testosterone levels right? Im sure Hendo felt just fine when he was prescribed TRT in the first place, thats why you do tests rather than base it on feelings dummy"So AGAIN: If he "felt fine" without it then why the fuck was he taking it? You are aware that a reputable doctor isn't just going to start someone on TRT who "feels fine" just because their test is 200 or 300, right? If your quality of life and health aren't significantly impaired, they don't just start slathering gel all over you for the hell of it."thats why your silly comparisons to insulin and other drugs is retarded, if anything its more like Viagra"The reason I compare it to insulin is because both are on the prohibited list of PEDs from WADA. Whether one is more necessary to life or not is completely irrelevant -- you can just use the same dumbass argument everyone here uses: "Someone who needs insulin to live shouldn't be competing."

Anthomis site profile image  

3/5/14 3:05 PM by Anthomis

ive never been on TRT. I have been on testosterone a few times in my life.Testosterone is the best PED Ive taken in my entire life. Its pure real energy. You can lift weights for HOURS compared to minutes. Im not shitting you here. Try it yourself.Low - T doesnt just effect your balls bro. You sound misinformed

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3/5/14 3:02 PM by Anthomis

it must feel alot better to not recover nearly as fast. to not have any where close to the energy you had. to be losing alot of your strength. to have to get more than 6 hours of sleep.Less testosterone must help you because real men dont need it

the_sandman site profile image  

3/5/14 12:20 PM by the_sandman

Hmmm...Take an FDA approved medically sound therapy to improve your energy level, physique and mental awareness... or be a donkey like this guy intends to be and fade off into the old folks home a fat miserable lug of a person.Guess you are not a pussy, though, right?Come to think of it - when does making yourself a stronger more potent human being qualify you for being a pussy.Please note everyone throwing the word "cheater" around is not submitting a bit of evidence or usually even a perspective to the "debate". Why? Because they are uninformed goons gobbling up the media hysteria with no clue about what they are discussing.

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3/5/14 8:44 AM by trobinson21

Awesome. Lol vu



 

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