Sonnen, Arlovski, Kirik on Submission Radio
The ever tremendous Submission Radio had three guests this week, The Gangster from Oregon Chael Sonnen, the former and perhaps future UFC heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovksi, and Kirik.
Chael put down Fedor, put down Holly Holm, gave Anderson Silva a pass, and revealed who he is competing with at Metamoris.
“Gentleman, the cover-up is always worse than the crime,” sad Sonnen of Silva. “What Anderson Silva did – this is my mortal enemy. I hate this guy, okay? I still give him a full pass. I cannot look at what he did as an objective person, looking at his leg and go, 'listen, your leg snapped in two pieces, okay? You owed it to yourself, you owed it to your family to heal that leg, whether you had to go to the free market or the black market, it doesn’t make any difference to me. I’m really impressed that you found something to heal your leg'. Now, he could have then been a good guy about it, he could have come out and said 'yeah as a matter of fact, here’s how I did it. So anybody else in my spot, let me walk you through what I did'. That would have been the cool thing to do.
'But you know, he got scared about it. And those guys don’t understand those tests. They're pass or fail. And everybody that ends up in the hot seat – and I’ve been in that seat. I mean I’m telling you guys, the psychology of somebody that got in the same jam – your first line of defenWe is to explain how it got in your system. Well how it got there doesn’t make a damn bit of difference. It doesn’t make any difference how it got there. It was either there or it wasn’t, it's pass or fail.
“And the commission slapped him on the wrist. But the way he went about it, historically is what would get the book thrown at you. It’s the guys that dig in, it’s the guys that lie about it that always get the worst treatment. The guys that come forward and say, 'listen you got me. Here’s what happened'. Those are the guys that kind of get the Anderson treatment. So he had the best of both worlds there. He had a great, great fairytale or a story and he didn’t get punished for it. So good for him.”
Chael was less charitable towards former world boxing champion Holly Holm.
“You need the mandate of the bosses, the guys on the second floor at the UFC. You need the mandate of the fans. But you also need the support of the people in the locker-room,” said Sonnen. “You know, the fellow fighters kind of have to step aside for somebody to be the number one contender and go 'okay yeah, you’re the right person'.
“Holly is gaining some fan support, and as far as the locker-room goes, we can’t get behind her 'cause she’s not telling the truth, that there is no validity that I’m willing to sign off on – and I’m happy for someone to come in and disagree with me, tell me where I’m wrong. But there is no validity to any of her world championships, let alone some ridiculous claim of being a seventeen-time world champion. I mean guys, I can go open the door to my garage right now, invite all comers, and then put a belt around whoever wins and call it the 'world championship'. And I mean that kind of stuff happens all the time. You see it in arm wrestling. There’s a world championship for some game called 'cornholing', which is like some Midwest version of horseshoes. There’s world championships for thumb wrestling, and there’s no validity to this stuff. There’s no validity to her being a seventeen-time world champion, and I don’t believe as an analyst that there’s any validity to any – zero – of her championships.
“I don’t know one tournament that she ever entered where the entire planet was welcome to enter, and they whittled it down with a competitive architecture known as a bracket, and one person was left standing. I don’t know of it. And I’ve been making this claim for a while, wanting somebody to disagree with me, wanting Holly to disagree with me or one of her coaches to come out and go, 'Chael you don’t know what you’re talking about'. It’s never happened.
“She’s got the thumb-wrestling world championship from some dude's garage. That’s just the reality. I do think she’s a skilled fighter, I think she’s a good boxer. I don’t know if that matters. I’m 38 years old, I’ve never met a female boxer. Not one. I’ve traveled the world, I’ve seen damn near every continent in every country, I’ve been in every state in America, I’ve never reached across a table and shaken hands with a women that turned out she was a boxer. So are you the best boxer in the world for females? Maybe? Does that mean you beat about three people? Yeah it does. And I’m not discrediting her, I’m discrediting boxing.
“Boxing is a dying breed, man. People ask me this about Floyd Mayweather all the time. Is he the greatest boxer ever? He’s certainly the best of this time, and he’s certainly a fantastic athlete and he should get a lot more credit than he does, but nobody boxes, guys. The same way I said I’ve never met a girl that boxes. I was 28 years old when I met my first boxer. Clayton Hires was the first man I’ve ever met who had been in the ring and competed in boxing, not one of these liars that goes down to the gym and jumps rope for three minutes and then goes and gets some water. I’m talking about a guy that gets in the ring on a Saturday night and boxes another man. I was 28 years old when I met my first one of those. The sport doesn’t exist. So who cares if you’re the best at it.”
Chael was less charitable still with Fedor, when he was asked if Fedor could compete with the elite Heavyweights in the UFC.
“No,” he explained. :Fedor is terrible. And Fedor is a very nice guy. I had the pleasure to meet him twice. The first time, I was in line with him at a Starbucks in a hotel in Los Angeles, and he just blended in. He was just a chubby bald guy, with a nerdy sweater, waiting for his latte like everybody else. And I thought, what a nice guy.”
“The reality on Fedor is, if you’re not fighting in a commissioned fight, you’re not fighting in a real fight. It has to be a sanctioned commission fight. This comes right back what we were talking about with Holly and her quadrillion boxing championships. If there’s no sanctioning and there’s no credibility and architecture, it doesn’t count. So everything he did in Japan with a referee wearing an earpiece gets thrown out. You gotta come to the States where there’s an official weigh-in, where there’s a regulatory body, and where there’s clearer defined rules, with clearer defined judging. He did that. He did that six times and he went 3-3. That’s not exactly an impressive record for a guy that we all keep having to hear is 'the best of all time'.
“Now God bless him, I love a guy that can come back, but I can tell you first hand, you don’t get better not doing something. Fedor got destroyed by guys who are now getting destroyed. Fedor got destroyed by Bigfoot Silva, who by my last count has fought – I believe Frank Mir knocked him out in 18 seconds, I suppose I’d have to re-watch that – but the point is that it’s ridiculous. I think it will sell once. I know that I’ll tune in, I know that the UFC is going to greatly overpay for him, and good for Fedor, man. I think he did everything right, and he is a nice guy. You know, this isn’t my goal to come out and bash a guy, but look, if a guy’s terrible a guy’s terrible. He’s 3-3 in the States, that means he’s 3-3.”
Chael was asked if Fedor has a better shot in the UFC because fighters no longer use TRT.
“Yeah, and I’ll let you be the first to actually get your vernacular right – there’s no such thing as TRT,” said Sonnen. “It’s just 'T'. It is just Testosterone. You’ll never go buy a bottle of something that says 'TRT' on it, but you can get the first letter, you get the 'T' down. So I can tell you, and again, you’re talking to a guy that used it. So I mean, let me tell you first hand, it makes a difference, it helps, it is a performance enhancer. If I thought it was going to de-hance me, I never would have taken it. So yes that matters, but not as much as a lot of people think.
“And the field was pretty level in my experience with the testosterone era. I was one of the few guys that came out and did it right, publicity said I was on it, and went and got the exemptions. When I did that, I had no idea there was going to be a backlash. I had no idea that people were going to say 'man, that’s a loophole', or anything else I dealt with. And when that happened, everybody else just said 'you know what, I’m gonna do this too but I’m not going to disclose it. I’m not going to do what Chael did and make myself subject to public ridicule'. And when that happened, that’s when guys started getting in trouble. So the guys you’re talking about that were taking the testosterone and admitted it, the only difference between them and their opponents for the most part, is they admitted it.”
And lastly Sonnen talked Metamoris.
“I have a match coming up at the very end of October, might even be November 1st, I have to look.”
“His name is Josh Barnett.”
“I’ll even give you gentleman a prediction….Sonnen wins. I’m going to take his fat ass down and he will never get up. And let him know I said that.”
“I’m going to take Josh down and then I’m going to whisper in his ear 'welcome to the next 20 minutes of your life'.”
Andrei Arlovski too was asked about Fedor, and whether he would take a rematch.
“Sold,” said. “Sold. Of course. Any time, any day. I said Sold. Anytime, anywhere.”
“No more flying knees and I'm gonna do everything possible to knock him out. It was such a stupid move from my side when I jumped with the flying knee. Idiot.”
“To be honest with you, I think it's a rumor and it's BS that he's gonna come back to the UFC first of all. Secondly, of course I would love for him to get in the UFC and fight him again to have a rematch. But if you're asking about if he's kind of old or not, I don't think so. Because I think a heavyweight's prime time is like 36 to like 40 I think. It's my opinion, I think it's the best prime time for the fighter. And Also you have a great example, Randy Couture. He fought, I guess till age 47. In boxing you've got George Foreman. And I think it's a good time for heavyweights, good age.”
Arlovksi was adamant that Fedor will not get an immediate title shot if he comes to the UFC.
“C'mon let's be serious,” he said. “Of course not he won't have a title shot. Who's gonna give him a title shot right away?”
Does Fedor need to prove himself, Arlovksi was asked.
“Not prove, but at least he (has to have a fight),” said Arlovski. “It's my opinion. I don't know, maybe the UFC is gonna do something different if they're gonna sign him. But I think at least he has to have a couple of fights, and then a title shot.”
Arlovksi was critical of his performance at UFC 191 vs. Frank Mir.
“Well first of all, I was a little disappointed because instead of being locked in my room and being focused on my upcoming match, I just was kind of busy seeing my friends, which is really bad,” he said. “I wouldn't do this before my next fight for sure. And for some reason I thought I was gonna beat him in the first round. But the fight went like three rounds and I kind of woke up in the third round. Victory is victory for sure, but I didn't like my performance.”
“I mean like, you know, when I came on Tuesday in Las Vegas I was good. Wednesday I was like…whew, I was like on fire when I hit mitts. Thursday I was kind of tired. Some other people came to see me from Russia, Belarus and from Chicago, Florida, you know. That's why I tried to be nice and I had been with one company and then later with the other company. I just lost a lot of energy and I almost lost the fight. So I didn't like my performance, but I took a lesson of course. It's not gonna happen again.”
“I'll tell you one thing, if I did everything how I was supposed to prepare, if I did everything how it was supposed to be like for the fight, how it was before my fight with Travis Browne, I guarantee you I probably would've knocked him out in the first round, and I wouldn't have given him one chance to touch me or take me down or something. But like I said, I did something wrong before the fight. So I almost paid for this. Of course I'm very disappointed, but like I said, a victory is a victory and also that why I apologized. I wrote some message on my instagram to the people. You know I have a lot of good comments from people. They said I don't have to apologize, a fight is a fight, that the fight was not an excellent fight but it was a good figh”, some people wrote to me. Of course a lot of people tried to write something bad on the internet or something, but at the same time I had a lot of good comments and I'm happy about that.”
Arlovski was asked explicity how he deals with the criticism of the fight from asses in seats.
“You know what, I just don't want to be rude, but F— all the people,” said Arlovksi. “It's just easy to stay on the couch and say something. Just put your gloves on and step in the octagon with someone. Listen, I did what I did. That night I did like … dunno … I think I did. And actually I'm happy about some parts of the fight. For example when he took me down, he looked for a Kimura. I just escaped, I got out, and by the cage I pretty much controlled him the whole time. So there were some good parts of the fight that I was happy about. But of course it wasn't a KO, and that's why people think 'oh it like…' But it's not the worst performance. I saw the fight a few times already and I won every round compared to the judges. I don't even listen or read some stuff from the internet.”
“I don't want to sit on the bench. Like first I heard Werdum said he wanted to fight – I mean it depends on his fight at the end of December, then January, now it's gonna be March. I don't want to sit too much. The reason why I agreed to the (Mir) fight – first of all, I thought it was supposed to be an interesting fight for the UFC, for fans. And also, top 10, top 15 fighters at Heavyweight right now are usually very tough, they're very dangerous, and a real man doesn't sit and pick the fights. Especially, I never picked my opponents. So UFC asked me 'do I wanna fight Frank? I said 'yeah, why not, of course. When? They said 'September'. I said 'sold'. I just wanna stay busy and I wanna fight as soon as possible.”
Teammates fighting has been a contentious issue in mixed martial arts, but MMA is not a team sport, and Arlovksi has no problem fighting fellow Jackson/Winkeljohn fighter Alistair Overeem.
“Well to be honest you, I'm not close friends with Alistair,” he explained. “I was just friends with Travis, and listen, business is business and I kind of have a bad feeling they're gonna put me against Overeem. So I'm gonna fight him of course. He's my teammate, but listen, everybody has to make money, everybody has to make decisions. I'm talking about my coaches and how it's gonna be. So that's it.”
Arlovksi also discussed what it would mean to win the UFC heavyweight championship once again.
“It's huge,” he said simply. “And by the way, I was a three-time world champion, just in case. It's my dream, like I said you know, I choose what's more important for me right now, and for me it's very important to rebuild my career again. Of course I wanna be a champion again, and I will do everything possible to reach my goal. (I've got) the right people right now around my, right coaches, good teammates, good place for camps, my wife and my family one hundred percent support me. She understands that it's very important for me what I'm doing right now, and I'm just ready to go. I still have the fire in my eyes and that's it. I have everything, like you know, to train hard, and just like follow my dreams and catch my dreams and be a champion again.”
So what would be better, a rematch with Fedor, or a title shot?
“Don't get me wrong, if I'm gonna tell you I wanna fight Emelianenko, period. And that's it,” he replied. “No of course I wanna be a champion, but if I will have an opportunity to fight Emelianenko, it's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be great. But of course it doesn't really matter what I want, it's up to the UFC obviously. But if I'm gonna have, like you said, an opportunity and take a fight on short notice against Emelianenko, of course I will take that fight. But if I'm gonna have an opportunity to fight for the title like in a month or two for example from today; if they tell me 'oh you have to be in camp and be ready and you're gonna have a title fight'. Okay, don't get me wrong, of course I'm gonna take the title fight.
“But, like I said, of course I've never picked my opponents and I wanna fight for the title because I wanna be a champion, but of course I wanna fight also Emelianenko. I need a rematch, I want a rematch. But it's totally up to the UFC. If they decide to for example for my next fight put me against Emelianenko, great. If they're gonna put me in my next fight against the champion, it's awesome too. So it's totally up to the UFC. But, if they're gonna ask me 'what kind of visions you have, who you wanna fight next?' I'm gonna explain obviously and they're going to decide what's next for me. That's it.”
Andrei Arlovski starts at: 3:32
Chael Sonnen starts at: 25:00
Tweet Kings Game segment starts at: 58:25
Roundtable Discussion with Kirik Jenness starts at: 1:15:21
Miesha Tate's career starts at: 1:17:02
if Fedor too old starts at: 1:31:01
TUF discussion starts at: 1:44:20