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From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 12:36 PM
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Just got back to Brazil, was in the air, and only now found out about the uproar my comments on MMAJunkie Radio created, so I would like to clarify:

I have seen way worse cuts then the one Cain inflicted on Bigfoot. The problem with this particular cut was not the size or anything, but the profuse bleeding into Bigfoots eyes. This is not an excuse, it is a fact. I am not here saying that wasnt for the cut , Bigfoot would have won, nor I am making an excuse. What I am saying, again, is a fact. Had not been the cut, the fight most probably would have gone on, who knows what the outcome might have been, maybe Cain would have won anyways, maybe not.
I also think that elbows on the ground should not be allowed. For the most part, they cause cuts, which are diferent then Kos, Tkos or Subs. They also tend to make a bloody mess, sometimes from relatively minor damage, and this does not help MMA as it tends to alienate many people to the sport.
I didnt mean in no way to diminish Cains victory, or make an excuse for Bigfoots defeat, but simply state a fact that myself, and any one else who watched the fight, witnessed.

From: mcpeepants232003 Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 12:39 PM
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there are dozens of cuts caused by punches, kicks and the such yet no one complains when they cause cuts but since the wrestlers everyone seems to hate use elbows everyone wants them banned.

I am not for taking weapons away from fighters when enough weapons are already prohibited.

Also I think fans are just sick of the constant excuse making of Brazilian fighters. Every single time a Brazilian loses an important fight they seem to have an excuse. So even if it's not meant as an excuse it was meant that way. Obviously the cut changed the fight but most people thought Cain would dominate whether or not there was a cut.

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Posted: 5/31/12 12:40 PM
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Okay Phone Post

From: epwar 594 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 12:43 PM
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I was disappointed to see Bigfoot throw a kick right away.  I knew if he did that Cain would take him down immediately.  No more kicks!

From: Festus 378 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 12:43 PM
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Amen brother. Bigfoot was doing so well before that cut. Cain was finished before that bullshit cut. Cain is lucky the ref stopped it when he did. Phone Post

From: Gokudamus stole my name 94 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 12:46 PM
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"For the most part, they cause cuts, which are diferent then Kos, Tkos or Subs"

The cut leads to an opening that allows you to win by KO/TKO/Sub. Just like we witnessed in the Bigfoot fight


From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 12:49 PM
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Everyone has his own opinion. This is mine. And again, am not making an excuse, but stating a fact.

From: UGCTT_RickStorm 1783 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 12:52 PM
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Although I disagree with removing elbows on the ground, I do appreciate your post Mr. Davis...

I do agree the cut hendered Bigfoots performance, but Cain was on a mission, and I dont think the outcome would of been any different.  Kind of a bummer about the cut, I would have liked to see the fight go a bit longer.

From: EVIL YOSHI 93 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 12:52 PM
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So what you're saying is if it wasn't for the way Cain won, Cain might not have won.

Got it. Phone Post

From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 12:56 PM
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I dont think Cain would have finished the fight when he did, in the way he did.

From: EckY 49 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 12:57 PM
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 The problem with cuts from elbows is that many guys will jsut look to cut using short elbows with  the sharp point of their elbow.

Short elbows on the ground do not need a lot of impact to cause bad cuts that bleed a lot, where as knees, kicks and punches generally are thrown to cause knockouts, yes they do cause cuts but people dont throw them specifically looking to cut guys.

From: TheGilbs 71 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:07 PM
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We should also make punches to the face illegal to. Since that's how cormier beat Bigfoot Phone Post

From: Jacinto 8 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:10 PM
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mcpeepants232003 - there are dozens of cuts caused by punches, kicks and the such yet no one complains when they cause cuts but since the wrestlers everyone seems to hate use elbows everyone wants them banned.

I am not for taking weapons away from fighters when enough weapons are already prohibited.

Also I think fans are just sick of the constant excuse making of Brazilian fighters. Every single time a Brazilian loses an important fight they seem to have an excuse. So even if it's not meant as an excuse it was meant that way. Obviously the cut changed the fight but most people thought Cain would dominate whether or not there was a cut.


This.

From: darmy 2 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:12 PM
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Elbows also give 'lay an prayers' ammunition as they don't have to create as much space as they would throwing a punch, thus allowing them to 'stay active'.

I also agree that they can cause excessive cosmetic damage that can cause a stoppage when the fighter could otherwise continue.

The other side of the argument is that regardless of how the opponent is cut, it was still from a strike from the attacker. If elbows were removed, however, we should see more exciting fights as fighters need to take bigger risks to strike whilst on the ground.

This argument is irrelevant when talking about the Cain, Bigfoot fight though, there was little chance that would have ended much differently, cut or no cut. Phone Post

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Posted: 5/31/12 1:13 PM
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Punches and knees cause cuts, should we take them out? Phone Post

From: mongo54 8 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:20 PM
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AJDavis - Everyone has his own opinion. This is mine. And again, am not making an excuse, but stating a fact.

 It's plain to see, you are making an excuse.  Bigfoot might have won?  Only in some parallel universe..........where getting a mud hole stomped in you scores points.

From: DaddyRich 88 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:24 PM
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I'd trade elbows for knees on the ground.

From: Smurphy 800 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:28 PM
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mcpeepants232003 - there are dozens of cuts caused by punches, kicks and the such yet no one complains when they cause cuts but since the wrestlers everyone seems to hate use elbows everyone wants them banned.

I am not for taking weapons away from fighters when enough weapons are already prohibited.

Also I think fans are just sick of the constant excuse making of Brazilian fighters. Every single time a Brazilian loses an important fight they seem to have an excuse. So even if it's not meant as an excuse it was meant that way. Obviously the cut changed the fight but most people thought Cain would dominate whether or not there was a cut.
This. They always have an excuse even if the fucking win!! Lmao Phone Post

From: fedro 52 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:31 PM
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I wouldn't mind no elbows on the ground. If you took them away the better fighter still wins every time and you won't have a bloodbath. The sport is still growing and fights that end up looking like horror movies will scare off alot of peeps. I know tons of people that watch fights with their kids as young as 6 years old. I wouldn't want my kid watching Cain/Bigfoot that's for damn sure Phone Post

From: Dr. Cheffa 14 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:31 PM
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DaddyRich - I'd trade elbows for knees on the ground.
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From: Gokudamus stole my name 94 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:34 PM
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TheGilbs - We should also make punches to the face illegal to. Since that's how cormier beat Bigfoot <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Its actually pretty funny you said that.

"If I’m losing, at least I’ll lose while fighting. It happened, he deserve the credits. I was well prepared, but he punched me. We didn’t even really fought."

http://tatame.com/2011/09/12/Bigfoot-Silva-talks-loss-to-Cormier-says-Barnett-will-win-Strikeforce-GP

From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:41 PM
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This is not the first time I have stated that Elbows on the ground should not be allowed, for the same reasons I have already stated here.
Anyone saying that Bigfoot is not a top athlete will be swallowing his words in the very near future.
My guys have just come off recent losses, Rousimar Vs Belcher, Barboza vs Varner, for example, and no excuses were made. Their opponents were simply the better fighters on these occasions. And I am not even making an excuse for Bigfoot, just stating a fact, he could not see due to the cut, or any of the above posters think other wise?

From: Chimonos Revenge 266 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:44 PM
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punches and knees cause cuts too.

Lets outlaw them.

Pretty soon the fighters are going to be fighting with pillows

From: AJDavis 27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 5/31/12 1:45 PM
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I saw the same. I also saw Bigfoot fighting blind.

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Posted: 5/31/12 1:51 PM
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adc559 - Dumb! Dnt get elbowed in the damn head and you wont bleed its part of a fight! :) Phone Post
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