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3/30/11 4:56 PM
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It's refreshing to see someone in Thiago's situation openly take responsibility and apologize like he did. That said, my level of respect for the dude certainly does not increase as a result of all this (it seems like some of you are, for lack of a better word, stupid or you have some kind of "vested interest" in this whole thing....).

Thiago was one of my favorite fighters, but the dude cheated, and as a result Brandon Vera's nose looked like fucking silly puddy after that fight. I can't imagine what Vera has had to go through to get that "fixed", and I feel like he will probably never be the same fighter again (mentally or physically). That's kinda unforgivable in my book and maybe adds fuel to the fire for the argument that roid'ers (or people who submit fake urine altogether) should be banned for life.

Anyway, for me, the apology and admission allows me to maintain some level of respect for the dude (unlike other cheaters who just flat out lie about it), but he did not gain 'MaD RespEcTTTorz' from for illegally altering another fighter's career.
3/30/11 5:17 PM
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The Cats Pajamas - Lol thiago silva did not write that <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Seriously this, the guy used a NON HUMAN URINE SAMPLE expecting not to get caught...you really believe he is capable of writing/thinking that?

I got my money on Dana White calling his ass and pressuring him to come clean so that he can go on about how MMA fighters are not like all these other athletes and all that other bullshit he likes to say towards the media.
3/30/11 5:17 PM
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The Cats Pajamas - Lol thiago silva did not write that Phone Post

Not enough "frens" in the post.
3/30/11 5:18 PM
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Did someone say "non-human urine sample"?
3/30/11 5:19 PM
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ThinkMMA - Respect. Most athletes never own up. Phone Post
3/30/11 5:20 PM
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I still have more respect for fighters who follow the rules.
3/30/11 5:29 PM
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3/30/11 5:35 PM
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3/30/11 5:36 PM
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3/30/11 5:37 PM
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Why is everyone like "respect"? The dude cheated, he got caught, and now he's sorry he got caught. A cheater is a cheater is a cheater.

I was a huge T. Silva fan and loved watching him fight. I will never root for him again.
3/30/11 5:41 PM
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afflikshoN - Why is everyone like "respect"? The dude cheated, he got caught, and now he's sorry he got caught. A cheater is a cheater is a cheater.

I was a huge T. Silva fan and loved watching him fight. I will never root for him again.


lol at everything about you buddy.



Silva reserves respect for being honest, apologizing and being the god damn fucking man.



3/30/11 5:43 PM
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Billy Butcher - Still a fan and always will be.

This guy does deserve respect for coming clean even though he tried to cover it up.

I don't get all the hate either. What, none of you guys ever made a big ass mistake? You never did something you wish you could take back? And he sure as hell deserves more respect than most of these pussy football and baseball players who constantly roid out, deny, and count their millions of dollars.

He made a mistake, he apologized, he accepts full responsibility and will take the punishment like a man. What more do you want?


Silva didn't make a "mistake." He knowingly and intentionally violated the rules of competition. A mistake would be, oops, I dropped the cup of urine and now you have to clean up your floor.

Brandon Vera signed up to fight a CLEAN opponent. In any other contractual situation, the breacher of the contract would be forced to pay the resultant damages of the breach; how about Silva pays for Vera's nose surgery?
3/30/11 5:47 PM
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OBgrappler - 
afflikshoN - Why is everyone like "respect"? The dude cheated, he got caught, and now he's sorry he got caught. A cheater is a cheater is a cheater.

I was a huge T. Silva fan and loved watching him fight. I will never root for him again.


lol at everything about you buddy.



Silva reserves respect for being honest, apologizing and being the god damn fucking man.



lol at your naivety. He's not honest, he's just sorry that NSAC's testing technology is better than that of an easy bake oven.

An apology is nice from a child when they misbehave, not from a professional fighter who dopes and destroys the nose of their opponent with chemical assistance.

Have fun rooting for Thiago "The Substance" Silva, "buddy".

3/30/11 5:51 PM
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dogfb - Still a cheater. Doesn't deserve any respect. I respect the guys that don't cheat and lie.

easy tiger, no one comes to your cubicle and counts the paperclips you've taken home, or the #2 pencils that have mysteriously disappeared from your desk...



That appears to be stealing, not cheating or lying. He said he doesnt like guys who lie or cheat. Unless he was asked about his paperclips or pencils and lied, your point missed the mark.
3/30/11 5:54 PM
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First!

What a stud. Very honorable move he just made. Compare this to Chael Sonnen; not even close.
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The Cats Pajamas -  Does no one else not think thiago wrote that?

 No shit!
3/30/11 5:55 PM
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Dragon X - What people don't realize is that he grew up in extreme poverty. MMA saved his ass from the streets. His MMA career was in jeapordy, he had to do what he had to do. He admitted wrong doing. Cut the nicca a break.



Vera's career was in jeopardy too. So is it ok that one man lost his job (since reinstated after Silva got caught) so that Silva could keep his?
3/30/11 6:00 PM
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Billy Butcher - ^^Dropping a cup of urine would be a disgusting ACCIDENT...gross.

He did knowingly violate the rules of the competition. It was a mistake on his part, one which he fully admitted too. Again, what more do you want?



Gross indeed. I don't want anything else from him (other than maybe him paying for Vera's hospital bill); I'm just vexed at how many people are showing him respect for his team's official statement as if that exonerates him for his transgressions.
3/30/11 6:00 PM
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3/30/11 6:06 PM
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Billy Butcher -  It was a mistake on his part, one which he fully admitted too. Again, what more do you want?

I would start with:  A) not cheating to begin with.  B) once you decided to cheat, realize it's wrong at that point, and stop it. C) Once you are questioned on your test, own up to it immediately rather than wait it out until everyone knows you are busted and you can't talk your way out of it -- then, and only then posting a great apology.

Those are just a few things I would "want".

All that said, I do still respect his being honest here, and hope he gets it together.  He's a true bad ass and fun fighter to watch.  But let's not get it twisted.  He's apologizing after the fact.
  
3/30/11 6:20 PM
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Edokaz248 - lol people giving repect to Thiago are not the bightest people here

 lol, let someone tell you that you will be unable to fight/provide for your family, then see what lengths you are willing to take to be sure you make the fight, wake up...



Ok...this is getting ridiculous...everyone has a point. I give him a little more respect than those that cheat and never admit it (Barnett), but lets not get it twisted, the little respect he gets from me is the closest rating to 0 that there can be (Barnett being 0 respect from me). THE GUY ADMITTED AFTER HE GOT CAUGHT. What else do you expect him to do? All he did was prove he's smarter than most of you. Yes he did an interview where he said he didn't cheat and take anything, clean blood etc...fair nuff...but this family thing about feeding them and doing what he had to do??? GIVE ME A BREAK. Look at it like this, he could have backed out of the Vera fight and missed a pay day, and gotten another next month, or he could have (according to thiago) gotten proper treatment and STILL have been able to fight (no one has mentioned that part about his 'admission' so far!). But what did he do? He cheated, got busted, and instead of NOT missing a payday (with proper treatment as he stated) he takes it upon himself to roid it up, get caught and NOT MAKE MONEY FOR A YEAR while on suspension. It makes absolutely no sense. If (or anyone with some common sense) was in his situation, he should have consulted a doctor first (like most people with legit injuries do) to find out he could have still fought...looks like he went to a doctor after he got busted and they were like 'yeah you could have fought anyway!'. So now he feels really dumb. It was not pain killers, it was roids, period. The dood's physique was off the charts and everyone on here is like 'OH I LOVE YOU NOW I'M A FAN THIAGO YOU'RE A MAN FOR ADMITTING...' STFU. He didn't admit jack. MAD PROPS to him if after the Vera fight before the results he was like 'you know i had a back injury and i roided to help with the pain so i wouldn't miss this pay day' at the press conference, but he didn't. A man confesses his wrong doing before anyone knows he did anything wrong, because his morals and character will eat at him until its unbearable and forces himself to confess...remember that people.

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3/30/11 6:22 PM
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hopefully other fighters who have been caught can see the overwhelmingly supportive reaction to this type of statement and realize that it would be in their best interests to do something like this
3/30/11 6:37 PM
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Much respect for owning up and not lying about it like some other MMA fighters have. It was still wrong and there is no place for cheating in the sport, but I'm still a fan. War Thiago.
3/30/11 6:46 PM
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Billy Butcher -  It was a mistake on his part, one which he fully admitted too. Again, what more do you want?

I would start with:  A) not cheating to begin with.  B) once you decided to cheat, realize it's wrong at that point, and stop it. C) Once you are questioned on your test, own up to it immediately rather than wait it out until everyone knows you are busted and you can't talk your way out of it -- then, and only then posting a great apology.

Those are just a few things I would "want".

All that said, I do still respect his being honest here, and hope he gets it together.  He's a true bad ass and fun fighter to watch.  But let's not get it twisted.  He's apologizing after the fact.
  


It's easy to say that in hindsight, but when you're in the middle of a giant shit-storm things aren't always that crystal clear. We all dig our own graves from time to time, it's up to us alone to dig ourselves out.

 Yes, but playing devil's advocate, TONS of other fighters are doing it the right way all the time.

I get it though.  Given the situation he is in NOW, he is absolutely handling it the right way, and props to him for that.  I just wish he would have not done any of this to begin with.
3/30/11 6:48 PM
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Ok, I have to first admit I didn't read all 10 pages of this thread so far (forgive me I am @ work)

But, I must say that I do not buy for a second his excuse about why he used a urine adulterant (Which is SO stupid, why not just use someone elses urine, DUH?!?!)

Also, I must say that I don't judge a pro athlete for PED use whatsoever, and think they should be allowed in pro sports.

I am not sure whether corticosteroid injections are banned by the athletic commissions, but Im thinking you could easily get that OK'ed and still be allowed to fight. Im sure most of you know those types of steroids are NOT the same as anabolic/androgenic steroids (which are the "real" PEDs)

I think he juiced and tried to cover his tracks w/ a urine adulterant or synthetic urine (both of which are really stupid IMO) Maybe he really used the roids to help heal his back, they will make a muscle injury heal faster (although not so much a disc problem or something like that really) But IMO this is not just about him being worried they wouldn't let him fight after having a epidural steroid injection or whatever........

Just my opinion, I don't personally think any less of the guy and people dumping him as fans and people saying he's a cheater, well, you're just dumb as fuck, don't understand sports and/or making your living FROM pro sports, and that's all there is to it :)

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