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chadk - Kinda destroys the myth of NFL caliber football players being able to dominate boxing if they put in a couple years of serious training, doesn't it? (not that he was the first or last one to try) Different skill set and physical attributes needed.


I kind of view this a bit differently.

Mitchell wasn't NFL caliber. But his athleticism was still enough for him to get relatively far in boxing despite starting late.

If there was no NFL or NBA to suck up all the good American big men then maybe more of them might have gotten into the sport as kids and the heavyweight division in this country wouldn't be so horrid.
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chadk - Kinda destroys the myth of NFL caliber football players being able to dominate boxing if they put in a couple years of serious training, doesn't it? (not that he was the first or last one to try) Different skill set and physical attributes needed.


I kind of view this a bit differently.

Mitchell wasn't NFL caliber. But his athleticism was still enough for him to get relatively far in boxing despite starting late.

If there was no NFL or NBA to suck up all the good American big men then maybe more of them might have gotten into the sport as kids and the heavyweight division in this country wouldn't be so horrid.

There have been tons of guys who played in the NFL and floundered in boxing or only did ok vs negligable opposition. Lots of other guys who "played with boxing" have been quoted as saying that boxing was much harder than playing football (admittedly it was likely because they were trained as football players and not fighters.)


Alonzo Highsmith and Ray Edwards come to mind. Also Lyle Alzado got a taste of how different boxing is against a real pro than playing football juiced to the gills.

The thing with guys who are athletes and not real fighters is that when they face a real quality fighter, they get bombed out. That's like Michael Grant, he did ok, he had good coaching, lots of hype and good physical skills, but Lennox made him look foolish.
9/8/13 8:14 PM
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NFL guys can't just switch over and do well in boxing, I'm not saying that.

But the if the talent pool of big men wasn't being channeled over to other sports that would leave more of them to possibly become fighters from a young age. Which would have a huge impact on the quality of American heavyweights.
9/8/13 9:55 PM
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PoundforPound - NFL guys can't just switch over and do well in boxing, I'm not saying that.

But the if the talent pool of big men wasn't being channeled over to other sports that would leave more of them to possibly become fighters from a young age. Which would have a huge impact on the quality of American heavyweights.

So what is the rest of the world's excuse?

 

Heavyweight is a garbage division.

9/8/13 10:37 PM
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One of the guys from my gym actually fought Mitchell (he lost a decision) on maybe a month notice. He came away unimpressed. He's not got a ton of pro fights but he's sparred some name guys and fought some in amateurs too. Seems he was right. Anyone else notice that little rhythmic thing Seth was doing with his left hand last night? Kinda rocking it up and down in front of his face. A seasoned guy like Arreaola was bound to spot that and start timing the right hand. Phone Post
9/8/13 11:08 PM
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chadk -  One of the guys from my gym actually fought Mitchell (he lost a decision) on maybe a month notice. He came away unimpressed. He's not got a ton of pro fights but he's sparred some name guys and fought some in amateurs too. Seems he was right. Anyone else notice that little rhythmic thing Seth was doing with his left hand last night? Kinda rocking it up and down in front of his face. A seasoned guy like Arreaola was bound to spot that and start timing the right hand. Phone Post

didn't see that until I went back and looked for it, but I sure watched him step out of the corner on a miserable angle...combine that with some slow footwork and Will Robinson has found the danger again.

 

9/9/13 12:44 AM
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Guerrero does the same with his lead hand.

9/9/13 7:06 AM
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Jennings looking for the Arreola fight

9/9/13 7:18 AM
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Question: Who is this Doug Fischer.....and does he know what he's talking about?

9/9/13 8:06 AM
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Just watched this doc on Sugar Ray Robinson.

If you've never seen it before, it's definitely worth a look. Great old footage not just of his fights.

9/9/13 9:06 AM
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Question: Who is this Doug Fischer.....and does he know what he's talking about?


Doug used to write for maxboxing with Steve Kim a while back. He's pretty knowledgeable but (like everyone else) doesn't always get them right.
9/9/13 9:09 AM
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Question: Who is this Doug Fischer.....and does he know what he's talking about?

Dougie Fisher used to be one of the main writers for Maxboxing.com and has written/writes elsewhere too. I've chatted with him a few times a few years back. Struck me as pretty knowledgeable. Phone Post
9/9/13 10:59 AM
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PoundforPound - NFL guys can't just switch over and do well in boxing, I'm not saying that.

But the if the talent pool of big men wasn't being channeled over to other sports that would leave more of them to possibly become fighters from a young age. Which would have a huge impact on the quality of American heavyweights.

So what is the rest of the world's excuse?

 

Heavyweight is a garbage division.


Wlad/Povetkin and Haye/Fury coming up.

Ill be watching. I cant believe POvetkin got to 34 without fighting Klitchsko though

The Kiltschko's are just too dominant, Vitali's on his way out finally which should open it up a bit.

It shows you how tough boxing heavyweight is when you see these guys like Mitchell and Price get quickly sat down once they near the top 10 guys
9/9/13 11:01 AM
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FedorFalconPunch - Chris is right about Mitchell. Mitchell doesnt have the chin or the footwork to be a top boxer but Mitchell could wreck shit in MMA.

Seth would 1 punch 90 percent of MMA heavyweights..hes def built to fight MMA but he cant handle top level boxing at all

That chin wouldnt do him any favors

Im sure he could KO some guys and probably get to UFC, but downhill from there
9/9/13 2:27 PM
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what did Fischer say? Looks like Maidana/Broner is vertbally agreed too, Ortiz and Thurman may be on the card too.

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Mikey Garcia-Roman Martinez Reach Deal For Nov. 9th
9/9/13 2:38 PM
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what did Fischer say? Looks like Maidana/Broner is vertbally agreed too, Ortiz and Thurman may be on the card too.


Nothing outlandish, he just thinks Canelo's gonna win a very close fight.

Broner and Thurman all day on that card.
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PoundforPound - NFL guys can't just switch over and do well in boxing, I'm not saying that.

But the if the talent pool of big men wasn't being channeled over to other sports that would leave more of them to possibly become fighters from a young age. Which would have a huge impact on the quality of American heavyweights.

So what is the rest of the world's excuse?

 

Heavyweight is a garbage division.


Wlad/Povetkin and Haye/Fury coming up.

Ill be watching. I cant believe POvetkin got to 34 without fighting Klitchsko though

The Kiltschko's are just too dominant, Vitali's on his way out finally which should open it up a bit.

It shows you how tough boxing heavyweight is when you see these guys like Mitchell and Price get quickly sat down once they near the top 10 guys

Neither of those fights are worth a shit.

 

And no lie... I weigh 220 and could give most Heavies right now a run.  The weightclass is horse shit.

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Epic thread is epic

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as much as it pains for me to say, if the fight is with in a few rounds...I could see a screw job in favor of Canelo...just so they can have a huge rematch.

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as much as it pains for me to say, if the fight is with in a few rounds...I could see a screw job in favor of Canelo...just so they can have a huge rematch.


Vegas would never do that to Vegas.

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PoundforPound - NFL guys can't just switch over and do well in boxing, I'm not saying that.

But the if the talent pool of big men wasn't being channeled over to other sports that would leave more of them to possibly become fighters from a young age. Which would have a huge impact on the quality of American heavyweights.

So what is the rest of the world's excuse?

 

Heavyweight is a garbage division.


Wlad/Povetkin and Haye/Fury coming up.

Ill be watching. I cant believe POvetkin got to 34 without fighting Klitchsko though

The Kiltschko's are just too dominant, Vitali's on his way out finally which should open it up a bit.

It shows you how tough boxing heavyweight is when you see these guys like Mitchell and Price get quickly sat down once they near the top 10 guys

Neither of those fights are worth a shit.

 

And no lie... I weigh 220 and could give most Heavies right now a run.  The weightclass is horse shit.


I disagree with the first part, and even if you think that both are pretty much free tape delayed add ons to already good HBO televised card

September 28 3 site card
Stevensoun/CLoud Chavez/Vera Haye/Fury

Why wouldnt you watch.

Klitschko/Povetkin is paired with a Cotto fight.
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Barry_BondsMVP - Mikey Garcia-Roman Martinez Reach Deal For Nov. 9th
Is that Bradley/JMM? Phone Post 3.0
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NM, had that fight confused. Nice triple header on Nov 9th Phone Post 3.0

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