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2/7/13 8:31 PM
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JustPeed -  Damn it. I'm moving to the UK in 3 months and I just had it figured out of what channels I need for ufc. When will these changes happen? Phone Post

The ESPN deal officially runs out in August. All of this talk is just speculation at the moment so nothing is confirmed. The media are bound to ask dana about this next week at the pressers in London.
2/7/13 8:34 PM
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Yes but thats 95% of ESPN subscribers on sky. Alot of the people seem to sign up for ESPN on freeview. Plus there is more than just UFC on ESPN although that debateable now. In Ireland you get ESPN for free with the sports package so that would up the number also.

I myself love alot of sports and have sky sports but whenever a thread like this pops up alot of the die hards seem to not be interested in other sports and just like MMA but as i also stated the die hards are not very numerous
2/7/13 8:49 PM
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Sky need to show it on the following day starting at 8/9pm. No PPV. That could create a legit fanbase.






Just have to hide from you gimps for a day. Phone Post
2/8/13 3:35 AM
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Madmuzzy - Sky arent going to do PPV like UFC want, Sky has been stung by 2 big boxing PPV (Haye/Klitchko and Haye/Harrison)and i imagine the way they are looking at it is if David Haye a big draw in the UK cant get good numbers then UFC is not worth the effort from them. Their may be light at the end of the tunnel because Sky recently announced they will be doing Froch/Kessler on PPV so maybe they are looking to get back in the market.
Your kidding right ?
David Hayes fight with Wlad did massive numbers ppv wise , it was just the disappointing performance that made them drop ppv .
Sky have just set up Froch v Kessler 2 on box office ppv so their interest is back for big events like that but UFC ? No chance, it's just not big enough in the uk ! Phone Post
With all respect Garry it wasn't just the poor performance. And how do you know the numbers were good? Sky don't release their PPV numbers. What I can guarantee you is that Sky didn't make nearly the amount they thought they would due to a system crash. They didn't release details of the system crash but trust me, it happened.

You are correct that UFC just isn't big enough in the UK for PPV. At the moment boxing kicks ass. Phone Post
2/8/13 5:27 AM
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We're on the same page GarryD. My previous posts state there is no incentive for Sky. To go mainstream in the UK it would need a huge marketing push and TBH why would Sky pump money into that for little to no return.

If you remember a while back, we had an excellent debate about gypsy boxers around 6 months ago. We both know the monopoly boxing has over here in the UK. Phone Post
2/8/13 6:30 AM
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one possible advantage of sky would be that if shows became profitable by way of PPV, they would start bringing over the bigger names again

Channel 5 is kicking itself because it sold its saturday nights to some shitty casino company for two or three years, so they cant air live UFC content

on its sister channel 5* they have BAMMA so i dont know, maybe some movement there down the line but depends on $. Right now the smart money is on Sky coz of the FOX deal and Gary Cook, although wouldnt rule out FX UK (or whatever its called) either
2/8/13 6:35 AM
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Terry Etim for dinner - Wouldn't be surprised, after they lose the premier league rights next season they don't have much content they can sell to subscribers.
They already have lost that. BT Vision out bided them.

ESPN are falling apart. They have also come out and said they are thinking of dropping the Scottish Premier League due to poor numbers. Phone Post
Thats what happens without rangers Phone Post
2/8/13 7:07 AM
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Terry Etim for dinner - Wouldn't be surprised, after they lose the premier league rights next season they don't have much content they can sell to subscribers.
They already have lost that. BT Vision out bided them.

ESPN are falling apart. They have also come out and said they are thinking of dropping the Scottish Premier League due to poor numbers. Phone Post
Thats what happens without rangers Phone Post
True. Nobody is interested in watching a one horse race.

ESPN are paying the Scottish League millions every year and they are getting nothing in return for it. Phone Post
2/8/13 7:17 AM
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Terry Etim for dinner - Wouldn't be surprised, after they lose the premier league rights next season they don't have much content they can sell to subscribers.
They already have lost that. BT Vision out bided them.

ESPN are falling apart. They have also come out and said they are thinking of dropping the Scottish Premier League due to poor numbers. Phone Post
Thats what happens without rangers Phone Post
True. Nobody is interested in watching a one horse race.

ESPN are paying the Scottish League millions every year and they are getting nothing in return for it. Phone Post
And then the tv will go all the spl clubs will cry and bitch because they will become a league the quality of the irish league because their eagerness to punish rangers before any guilt was proven, pushed by and spl sfl and sfa whose strings
Are pulled by lawell (and then they got found innocent)

I hope espn and sky do dump us and all these diddy clubs like dundee united and hibs go down the gretna route Phone Post
2/8/13 7:21 AM
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Scottish Premier league is just the biggest waste of time

Celtic and Rangers should join the English Premier and have done with it
2/8/13 7:25 AM
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john joe - one possible advantage of sky would be that if shows became profitable by way of PPV, they would start bringing over the bigger names again

Channel 5 is kicking itself because it sold its saturday nights to some shitty casino company for two or three years, so they cant air live UFC content

on its sister channel 5* they have BAMMA so i dont know, maybe some movement there down the line but depends on $. Right now the smart money is on Sky coz of the FOX deal and Gary Cook, although wouldnt rule out FX UK (or whatever its called) either
If Sky go for the UFC it will be at least a couple of years before they go PPV.

Sky have been burned to often with PPV. The Amir Khan deal crumbled on them after Prescott knocked him out. There were huge issues with Haye vs Harrisson and also issues with Haye vs Klitchko. Sky have been building Froch up for a couple of years and it's only now they are prepared to test the PPV market again.

I'm going into work on Monday and am gonna start asking questions but as I said earlier, I'm just a tech dude. Can you not start asking the powers at be if they are interested in the UFC? You're part of a highly respected UK magazine. Phone Post
2/8/13 7:28 AM
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john joe - Scottish Premier league is just the biggest waste of time

Celtic and Rangers should join the English Premier and have done with it
They dont want us. We have a fan base big enough that the big clubs dont want competition for european spots, the lower down clubs dont want us because 2 more of them will get shunted out, and EPL is already the biggest most successful league in the world the dont need us Phone Post
2/8/13 7:34 AM
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It would be awesome if sky sports picked it up, the only reason I subscribe to espn is for UFC shows Phone Post
2/8/13 7:42 AM
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ESPN seen a gap in the market when Setanta collapsed. They jumped in an got Scottish football, English Premier League and UFC. They have lost EPL to BT, the powers that be on the Scottish league kicked Rangers out so nobody is interested in watching that. UFC seems to be their only decent product. I can see why they want to bail. Phone Post
2/8/13 7:54 AM
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john joe - one possible advantage of sky would be that if shows became profitable by way of PPV, they would start bringing over the bigger names again

Channel 5 is kicking itself because it sold its saturday nights to some shitty casino company for two or three years, so they cant air live UFC content

on its sister channel 5* they have BAMMA so i dont know, maybe some movement there down the line but depends on $. Right now the smart money is on Sky coz of the FOX deal and Gary Cook, although wouldnt rule out FX UK (or whatever its called) either
If Sky go for the UFC it will be at least a couple of years before they go PPV.

Sky have been burned to often with PPV. The Amir Khan deal crumbled on them after Prescott knocked him out. There were huge issues with Haye vs Harrisson and also issues with Haye vs Klitchko. Sky have been building Froch up for a couple of years and it's only now they are prepared to test the PPV market again.

I'm going into work on Monday and am gonna start asking questions but as I said earlier, I'm just a tech dude. Can you not start asking the powers at be if they are interested in the UFC? You're part of a highly respected UK magazine. Phone Post

powers that be reply, "no comment"

standard when negotiations are ongoing

also standard when nothing is happening lol
2/8/13 8:02 AM
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Lol.

We have internal chatter (similar to twitter but for Sky personnel only). I know there are loads of UFC fans that work for Sky. I'll try and get an internal buzz going. Maybe someone higher up the food chain may take notice and reply. Phone Post
2/8/13 8:42 AM
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john joe - one possible advantage of sky would be that if shows became profitable by way of PPV, they would start bringing over the bigger names again

Channel 5 is kicking itself because it sold its saturday nights to some shitty casino company for two or three years, so they cant air live UFC content

on its sister channel 5* they have BAMMA so i dont know, maybe some movement there down the line but depends on $. Right now the smart money is on Sky coz of the FOX deal and Gary Cook, although wouldnt rule out FX UK (or whatever its called) either
If Sky go for the UFC it will be at least a couple of years before they go PPV.

Sky have been burned to often with PPV. The Amir Khan deal crumbled on them after Prescott knocked him out. There were huge issues with Haye vs Harrisson and also issues with Haye vs Klitchko. Sky have been building Froch up for a couple of years and it's only now they are prepared to test the PPV market again.

I'm going into work on Monday and am gonna start asking questions but as I said earlier, I'm just a tech dude. Can you not start asking the powers at be if they are interested in the UFC? You're part of a highly respected UK magazine. Phone Post

My friend worked as a senior analyst at SKY. He said the exact same things that you saying regarding Khan and Hayes PPV numbers.

Your posts have been really good mate thanks for sharing the info.
2/8/13 8:57 AM
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I'm in late on this one, but I think it would be really good for UK MMA if Sky take it on board.  My perception is that Sky don't take sports unless they plan to back them properly.  They'll give the events the coverage they need/deserve and market them in a way that should be of benefit to other UK organisations too.  I think Sky would introduce the sport to new eyes rather than it being hidden away on ESPN, which all in all is a shit channel that I only pay for because of the UFC (I guess thats the opposite of some of the comments I've read, cause it actually costs me more due to the fact it's on ESPN, not less).  I really dont think that the PPV model works in Europe full stop so I just can't see that happening thankfully.

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Thanks for the words, appreciated.

I'll never forget the Haye v Klitchko night. We sat for hours doing nothing, I believe there were 60,000 (possibly more) in the q and the whole Sky system crashed. The top dogs were panicking big style, running around like mad trying to fix it. The next day the mood was very somber. Sky lost loads and after their previous failures ( mentioned in previous post) it was the final nail in the coffin. If there weren't system issues Sky would have continued with PPV, TBH they can handle a few complaints about a fighter saying he has a sore toe. Phone Post
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Damn, thought I'd quoted El Toro there :) Phone Post
2/8/13 9:40 AM
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Bisping=Gatekeeper4Life -  Lol.

We have internal chatter (similar to twitter but for Sky personnel only). I know there are loads of UFC fans that work for Sky. I'll try and get an internal buzz going. Maybe someone higher up the food chain may take notice and reply. Phone Post

LOL I remember being on the phone to one of the Sky customer service guys before the Lesnar/Herring fight (think it might have been when I was signing up for ESPN when they took over the rights) and we were chatting for about 20 minutes about the fights and upcoming events.







Bit annoying when I finally realised I was on a premium rate line.
2/8/13 9:45 AM
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where am I going to watch my pirated UFC cards from then?
2/8/13 11:17 AM
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Bisping=Gatekeeper4Life -  Lol.

We have internal chatter (similar to twitter but for Sky personnel only). I know there are loads of UFC fans that work for Sky. I'll try and get an internal buzz going. Maybe someone higher up the food chain may take notice and reply. Phone Post

LOL I remember being on the phone to one of the Sky customer service guys before the Lesnar/Herring fight (think it might have been when I was signing up for ESPN when they took over the rights) and we were chatting for about 20 minutes about the fights and upcoming events.







Bit annoying when I finally realised I was on a premium rate line.
Lmao, it was probably me. I'd spend ages talking to avoid taking complaints. Phone Post
2/8/13 11:26 AM
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned before but the UFC.tv apps on the iPad and iPhone are charging £5.49 to watch Fuel,FX and FOX cards.

The numbered PPV events the price is £10.99


2/8/13 11:51 AM
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DanUK - FYI I think this is the normal ESPN UK channel, not ESPN America etc.

So there is still possibly a home for UFC, but it will need to find space alongside the baseball, college sports etc.

Also, UFC on ESPN UK has always been a short term contract - Sky Sports should be the permanent home of the UFC with the ability to put the TUF programming and Prelims on Sky One for extra viewers..
Yes! that would be quality Phone Post

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