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2/12/13 8:47 PM
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SKARHEAD - Duke, what do you think about the monstrous leg kicks that Ricardo Arona would would throw in Pride ? Vanderlei Silva was a Muay Thai fighter, but those leg kicks literally knocked him down to the floor w/ Arona's legs/thighs, and trunk being so thick and powerful....How should Vanderlei have checked a kick that literally sent his weight sprawling to the floor ?

"How should Vanderlei have checked a kick that literally sent his weight sprawling to the floor ? "

In a way that is really painful for his opponent.

I believe Aus just illustrated my point.
2/12/13 8:49 PM
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We'll see how much of a non-issue they are come fight time when Anthony actually feels them.


Possibly...

The opponents that have been affected by Aldo's low kicks were not Muay Thai or Kickboxing background fighters.

Anthony has been training with me over 7 years, he joined my academy to become a Kickboxer. I steered him in the MMA direction due to decline of K1 & Kickboxing. He was offered to fight in K1 MAX in 2009 thru my Japanese contacts. I saw a bigger pot at the end of the MMA Rainbow. Here we are now!

Coming into the Cerrone fight I altered his training to adapt more to Muay Thai & Kickboxing of Cerrone. As well, a lot Thai body conditioning making legs/body much stronger in the process. In MMA fighters do not focus on this enough or have the time too. The preparation for Aldo will be in the same area as the last fight. Fortunately Anthony can use my experience & knowledge to his full advantage in this fight. I am a lover of the Low Kick, it breaks opponents. I understand the set ups, the delivery, the mindset, the timing & strategy of the low kick game. Its my game too!

Anthony is an amazing student of the game. He will be up for the challenge of Jose Aldo.

I have nothing but respect for Jose & his camp. They are killers!

Too Be the Best You have to Want to face & defeat the Best!

Well said.

Would you be surprised if Anthony fell from too many leg kicks?


Thanks!

Yes & no because anything can happen in a fight. One man trying to beat another man for a world champions brings fire works.

Got work cut out but excited for the challenge.

Thank you for responding. 

Good luck to all of you.

2/12/13 9:01 PM
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SKARHEAD - Duke, what do you think about the monstrous leg kicks that Ricardo Arona would would throw in Pride ? Vanderlei Silva was a Muay Thai fighter, but those leg kicks literally knocked him down to the floor w/ Arona's legs/thighs, and trunk being so thick and powerful....How should Vanderlei have checked a kick that literally sent his weight sprawling to the floor ?

"How should Vanderlei have checked a kick that literally sent his weight sprawling to the floor ? "

In a way that is really painful for his opponent.

I believe Aus just illustrated my point.

Literally stunned at how many people are unaware about low kick defenses to this day. I learned 4-5 leg kick defenses directly from the man Erik Paulson himself in like 1994. The spike seen in the GIFs I posted was the first one he showed me and told me it was the best. He also showed me a little secret on how to make it so the person kicking nails your knee or the thickest part of your shin EVERY time. 

2/12/13 9:07 PM
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Aldos kicks come so fast...non issue is correct. Theyre getting through regardless - blocking will be a non issue.
2/12/13 9:26 PM
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cleetdog101 - Aldos kicks come so fast...non issue is correct. Theyre getting through regardless - blocking will be a non issue.

2/12/13 9:35 PM
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2/12/13 9:46 PM
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Billy Joe Rottoncrotch - They seemed to be an issue for Mark Hominick.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but he has a more accomplished kickboxing pedigree than Anthony Pettis.
This was my exact thought when I read the article this morning. Aldo's kicks are a different beast for mma. Even checking one will be bad news. That said, even as big of an Aldo fanboy as I am (he's my all time favorite fighter) I would be foolish to think that Pettis can't win this fight. FOTY possibility for sure. I can't wait. Phone Post
2/12/13 9:46 PM
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Billy Joe Rottoncrotch - They seemed to be an issue for Mark Hominick.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but he has a more accomplished kickboxing pedigree than Anthony Pettis.

Hom doesn't really have a pedigree. One small title maybe? You do know that there is a difference between sport karate and kickboxing and Muay Thai right? The kick to the thigh and its defenses and counters come from Muay Thai, not watered down kickboxing.

I'm thinking this is new to you.

Regardless, and weird that I actually have to say this, but...are you aware that Mark Hominick and Anthony Pettis are not the same person? 

You win dumbass of the year. Happy now? Are you going to Disney Land now?

2/12/13 9:49 PM
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ausgepicht could you elaborate more on this secret learned from Mr Paulson? Big fan of secrets haha. Feel free to pm if it's truly top secret Phone Post
2/12/13 10:03 PM
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Rick Roufus vs Kiatsongrit


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2/12/13 10:08 PM
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Billy Joe Rottoncrotch - 
ausgepicht - 
Billy Joe Rottoncrotch - They seemed to be an issue for Mark Hominick.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but he has a more accomplished kickboxing pedigree than Anthony Pettis.

Hom doesn't really have a pedigree. One small title maybe? You do know that there is a difference between sport karate and kickboxing and Muay Thai right? The kick to the thigh and its defenses and counters come from Muay Thai, not watered down kickboxing.

I'm thinking this is new to you.

Regardless, and weird that I actually have to say this, but...are you aware that Mark Hominick and Anthony Pettis are not the same person? 

You win dumbass of the year. Happy now? Are you going to Disney Land now?


Did you just lose your house or something?

The bank had finally had enough and decided to foreclose?

I hope that's not the case.

But it's the only explanation I can think of for why you're acting like an angry hobo.


 

Not as angry as you obviously. At least I contributed to the thread and made some points....none of which you have done. Clearly, you're very mad.

 

2/12/13 10:13 PM
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gusto - Rick Roufus vs Kiatsongrit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xtbbnAr55o

Irrelevant to the thread.

2/12/13 10:14 PM
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Brian Rule -  ausgepicht could you elaborate more on this secret learned from Mr Paulson? Big fan of secrets haha. Feel free to pm if it's truly top secret Phone Post

Done!

2/12/13 10:31 PM
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gusto - Rick Roufus vs Kiatsongrit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xtbbnAr55o

Irrelevant to the thread.


the fight was mentioned on the thread and Duke said it was the reason he focused so extensively on learning and teaching low kick defense


but i imagine your flame war and anger issues are way more relevant
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Billy Joe Rottoncrotch - Maybe you should take this up with Mark Hominick.

I believe he was the one touting his kickboxing credentials before the Jose Aldo fight.

You should also consider talking to an anger management councilor.

Before you start shooting police officers and barricade yourself inside a cabin in Big Bear.

"I believe...." So you are guessing?

You don't have an answer for a single question? Is it too complex? Embarrassed for not knowing?  

You said Mark Hominick had a problem with Aldo's leg kicks. So explain yourself. If Mark had a problem, how is it Pettis will? You also said Hom had a kickboxing pedigree when he has only won a sport karate belt and kickboxing belt....both regional. 

I think you are out of your league in this one. 

2/12/13 11:11 PM
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Wicked fight!

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2/12/13 11:31 PM
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Billy Joe Rottoncrotch - They seemed to be an issue for Mark Hominick.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but he has a more accomplished kickboxing pedigree than Anthony Pettis.

Signed,

Cerrone was undefeated in 30 kickboxing/muay thai matches, what about Pettis?
2/12/13 11:50 PM
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I don't believe the leg kicks will be a factor, for a different reason, although Duke may have alluded to it also. If you come over the top with a harder counter every time like Anthony has shown a tendency of, they stop, or they'll lose the exchanges so who cares.
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This fight is going to be amazing. Phone Post
2/13/13 12:14 AM
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I have all kinds of feelings about this fight. I don't like a fighter dropping and getting an instant title shot, but Pettis vs Aldo is an awesome fight and I really like both fighters. At the same time I don't want either of them to lose because I've always appreciated how they both bring it and really destroy their opponent. I think they both deserve a belt and Guida's win over Pettis is BS. I would rather Pettis have stayed at 155 and beat Benson. lol

This is a fight where I wouldn't be surprised if Aldo took it to the ground and we finally saw a broader aspect of his BJJ skills in MMA. Standing they seem so close and, though Pettis has shown he's no slouch on the ground, going by the rumors Aldo "seems" to have the edge there.


But why on earth is this fight not happening until August!?!? 6 months is a long time to wait for such a good fight.
2/13/13 1:19 AM
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Aldo is a tough match for anyone. I dont know that i think Pettis will win but his absolute best chance would be Duke training him for the fight.
2/13/13 11:48 AM
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Aldo > Bendo.  Pettis fears no one, refreshing given a certain duck champ in the ufc

2/13/13 1:43 PM
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Gokudamus stole my name - Pettis has the right style to defeat Aldo. But i will say the same thing i said with Frankie. Pettis gets away with a lot of things because of his speed at 155, he wont have that with Aldo. Frankie is one of the fastest guys at LW and there was still a noticable speed difference (until Aldo slowed down)


Can you elaborate on both Pettis and Frankie (vs Aldo stylistically)?

As i wrote in your thread about that fight. When a guy is used to having the speed advantage, he is used to a certain rythm and timing, we saw it early with Mighty Mouse and Dodson and then with Frankie and Aldo, they were getting hit at times where they would usually have avoided that same strike from slower opponents. Stylistically Frankie was not Aldos worst matchup, im not sure how many more wrestlers he has to defeat but he is right up there with GSP in terms of TD defense. Aldo is a mini Chuck Liddell with better BJJ

With Pettis its more interesting. Pettis has excellent footwork, he is very good at maneuvering his opponent to the range he wants them at, everyone knows about his kicks but his hands are actually just as good, he seems really good at countering peoples kicks with punches. Thats why Duke seems so confident about the lowkicks, now add in that Aldo is 5,7 and Pettis is 5,10 with a decent reach advantage and i would be hesitant about going for lowkicks if i was Aldo

Of course this is all moot since Aldo shouldnt have any problems going for the TD and his BJJ on paper should be very good

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Frankie has good footwork too, no? But I suppose the main thing is that Frankie's wrestling in conjuction with his boxing is the main threat while Pettis is a more complete striker but without the wrestling threat.

So do you think Aldo will go for tds in this? I think anything that gives any fighter an added weapon/threat/advantage should be used.

I also do think Aldo should now be up with Chuck, CC, GSP and Machida in tdd. His dynamic abilities also lends to his ability to scramble out of tds when he is getting taken down as well.

I think the same could be said of Aldo for Pettis too though, not Cerrone, Lauzon, etc is on Aldo's striking level. Bendo also was a notch down in terms of striking and overall game imo when he fought Pettis, not that both of them havent improved.

Pick?
2/14/13 9:50 AM
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Gokudamus stole my name - Pettis has the right style to defeat Aldo. But i will say the same thing i said with Frankie. Pettis gets away with a lot of things because of his speed at 155, he wont have that with Aldo. Frankie is one of the fastest guys at LW and there was still a noticable speed difference (until Aldo slowed down)


Can you elaborate on both Pettis and Frankie (vs Aldo stylistically)?

As i wrote in your thread about that fight. When a guy is used to having the speed advantage, he is used to a certain rythm and timing, we saw it early with Mighty Mouse and Dodson and then with Frankie and Aldo, they were getting hit at times where they would usually have avoided that same strike from slower opponents. Stylistically Frankie was not Aldos worst matchup, im not sure how many more wrestlers he has to defeat but he is right up there with GSP in terms of TD defense. Aldo is a mini Chuck Liddell with better BJJ

With Pettis its more interesting. Pettis has excellent footwork, he is very good at maneuvering his opponent to the range he wants them at, everyone knows about his kicks but his hands are actually just as good, he seems really good at countering peoples kicks with punches. Thats why Duke seems so confident about the lowkicks, now add in that Aldo is 5,7 and Pettis is 5,10 with a decent reach advantage and i would be hesitant about going for lowkicks if i was Aldo

Of course this is all moot since Aldo shouldnt have any problems going for the TD and his BJJ on paper should be very good

FRAT

Frankie has good footwork too, no? But I suppose the main thing is that Frankie's wrestling in conjuction with his boxing is the main threat while Pettis is a more complete striker but without the wrestling threat.

So do you think Aldo will go for tds in this? I think anything that gives any fighter an added weapon/threat/advantage should be used.

I also do think Aldo should now be up with Chuck, CC, GSP and Machida in tdd. His dynamic abilities also lends to his ability to scramble out of tds when he is getting taken down as well.

I think the same could be said of Aldo for Pettis too though, not Cerrone, Lauzon, etc is on Aldo's striking level. Bendo also was a notch down in terms of striking and overall game imo when he fought Pettis, not that both of them havent improved.

Pick?

Frankie has good footwork but styles make fights, he does best against slow footed guys like BJ where he can lead and have BJ react. Im not saying Aldo is scared of Pettis striking and will shoot in, im just saying he is a complete fighter with a strong BJJ background, if he feels he has the advantage he will take it to the ground

And yes Aldo is also the best striker Pettis has fought so far in his career aswell. And while Duke is a great coach, its not like Aldo is slouching, Andy Souwer is a 2X K1 MAX champion and usually flies to Brazil to help Aldo prepare for fights



2/15/13 1:21 PM
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Whoa, didnt know about Souwer training with Aldo.

That said, do any of the top Japanese boxers, kickboxers, karate guys cross train with the top JMMA fighters?

Was watching One FC and the Filipino guys looked pretty good in both boxing and kickboxing, just not as much grappling level yet. One guy was working BJ Kojima over until he got caught in a guillotine.

Japan actually has quite a few top boxers and even more world champs (title holders) last i checked than the Phillipines, a legit amount of notable kickboxers and kyokushin/seido guys but seems it hasnt translated to JMMA striking much at all.

Btw, have the Fight Network now so been seeing lots of Glory and Showtime of late. Say a Yamamoto at 63kg who won in one show against a Portugese guy....

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