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2/24/13 10:42 AM
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Another Machida marathon. He is great when he engaging his opponent, however he rarely does. Phone Post
2/24/13 10:45 AM
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When you're going against the grain and find that Cecil Peoples is the judge who saw the scoring same as you... I would realize I was wrong and not tell anyone.
2/24/13 10:45 AM
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Huge Hendo fan here.....But, Dan clearly lost rounds one and two........
2/24/13 10:58 AM
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Willy the Coyote - Anyone who thinks Dan won that fight is delusional. He was outclassed on the feet, and his biggest accomplishment was sitting in Lyoto's guard for a couple of minutes. Lyoto landed more significant strikes, showed far superior footwork, and did more damage on the ground in 5 seconds than Dan did in two minutes.
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2/24/13 11:08 AM
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Sprawl 68 - Another Machida marathon. He is great when he engaging his opponent, however he rarely does. Phone Post
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2/24/13 11:12 AM
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Unbelievably close fight - both from my perspective watching the fight and fightmetrics.

When you look at fight metric from a round by round perspectic to score the fight (as opposed to looking at the total strikes) - it gets even more difficult to judge.

Lyoto has amazing footwork - but amazing footwork alone does not win fights. This isn't a Zumba competition. Having amazing footwork only means something when it puts you in striking range when you want to strike and out of striking range when you're playing defense.

I'm a fan of both Lyoto and Dan (probably moreso the former), but Lyoto basically Frankie Edgar'ed his way to a decision.

When Dan did look clumsy at times - he was undeniably the aggressor trying to bring the fight to Lyoto.

For all the advances and opportunities Dan gave Lyoto to counter-strike - he capitalized very rarely.

Ultimately this will be one of those fights which will remain very controversial for a long time.
2/24/13 11:18 AM
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I had Dan in 1 and 3.
2/24/13 11:19 AM
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boxy - When Cecil Peoples said you won, it's time to acknowledge you lost.

2/24/13 11:22 AM
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ziggystardust -  If Cecil is the only judge that sides with you, that's a clear indication you didn't win. Phone Post

lol.
2/24/13 11:23 AM
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Machida essentially forces you to either get picked apart or make it a snoozefest. I'm calling it now. If he drops 1-2 bouts he'll be where Fitch is. Effective isn't the name of the game anymore. Phone Post
2/24/13 11:25 AM
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Everything Dan tried, it was countered with a strike.

Machida did more damage, landed more strikes. He won the fight, dont see the problem?
2/24/13 11:34 AM
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The Sauce - No one did, fans included... Phone Post
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2/24/13 12:02 PM
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Hendo says Yes!

His face says No!

The stats show a very close fight, giving it to Machida.
2/24/13 12:12 PM
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The Sauce - No one did, fans included... Phone Post
For the win Phone Post
2/24/13 12:14 PM
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Immaculata - Real difficult fight to Judge. You can make an arguement for Hendo winning 29-28.
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2/24/13 12:17 PM
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No he didn't, but I respect a winner's attitude and beliefs.

 

I always think I'm right because I am.  Hendo does because he believes in himself, which is cool.

 

Trust me, I'm right on this one.  I'm always right on this one.

2/24/13 12:21 PM
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At some point aggression needs to play a bigger role in scoring a fight. I would have given the fight to Dan. It was close for sure but when in doubt I'd always give it to the fighter who actually wants to fight.
2/24/13 12:22 PM
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You got to be kidding me Dan, you lost and weren't even close to winning. I figured the judge who scored it for Dan was Cecil Peoples...
2/24/13 12:28 PM
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Machida used his superior running in this fight. Phone Post
2/24/13 12:30 PM
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seeeeee, karate point striking wins in mma tourney!!
2/24/13 12:32 PM
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Bentleysuper8 - At some point aggression needs to play a bigger role in scoring a fight. I would have given the fight to Dan. It was close for sure but when in doubt I'd always give it to the fighter who actually wants to fight.
Yes, lets totally reward fighters for walking forward even if you are not doing any damage or being more effective. Lets punish all the fighters who like to counterstrike by making the scoring biased towards certain styles.

/sarcasm

Its called "effective aggression" for a reason. Dan was not being effective. Same reason we all know Leonard Garcia didn't really win many of his decision wins. Now the judges get it right and you're crying because its Henderson. Phone Post
2/24/13 12:32 PM
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EvilMaster - The decision was good, Machida out pointed him. That is all there is too it.

Exactly. It sucks but machida did what he usually does unless the opponent gets reckless then he knocks them out. Phone Post
2/24/13 12:37 PM
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Bentleysuper8 - At some point aggression needs to play a bigger role in scoring a fight. I would have given the fight to Dan. It was close for sure but when in doubt I'd always give it to the fighter who actually wants to fight.
Yes, lets totally reward fighters for walking forward even if you are not doing any damage or being more effective. Lets punish all the fighters who like to counterstrike by making the scoring biased towards certain styles.

/sarcasm

Its called "effective aggression" for a reason. Dan was not being effective. Same reason we all know Leonard Garcia didn't really win many of his decision wins. Now the judges get it right and you're crying because its Henderson. Phone Post
I don't always agree with you but I have to here. As much as I wanted Dan to win for the sake of him getting a shot at the title before he retires. Machida won that, sucks it wasn't as exciting as most expected but that's how Things go sometimes.

Dan couldn't be more aggressive because machida was already connecting on counters and hard knees/ kicks everytime he waded in.

Dan did not look that good and I don't think I'd want to see him against JBJ.

Machida is still the only person I believe has a shot currently at LHW and he only wins if he doesn't get taken down. Phone Post
2/24/13 12:39 PM
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UGCTT_ Lay'n'PrayNINJA -
Bentleysuper8 - At some point aggression needs to play a bigger role in scoring a fight. I would have given the fight to Dan. It was close for sure but when in doubt I'd always give it to the fighter who actually wants to fight.
Yes, lets totally reward fighters for walking forward even if you are not doing any damage or being more effective. Lets punish all the fighters who like to counterstrike by making the scoring biased towards certain styles.

/sarcasm

Its called "effective aggression" for a reason. Dan was not being effective. Same reason we all know Leonard Garcia didn't really win many of his decision wins. Now the judges get it right and you're crying because its Henderson. Phone Post
I don't always agree with you but I have to here. As much as I wanted Dan to win for the sake of him getting a shot at the title before he retires. Machida won that, sucks it wasn't as exciting as most expected but that's how Things go sometimes.

Dan couldn't be more aggressive because machida was already connecting on counters and hard knees/ kicks everytime he waded in.

Dan did not look that good and I don't think I'd want to see him against JBJ.

Machida is still the only person I believe has a shot currently at LHW and he only wins if he doesn't get taken down. Phone Post

JBJ choked him unconscious standing last time they fought...
2/24/13 12:39 PM
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KingstonHawkeJr - Actually, I love the way Machida fights. Reminds me of Mayweather. When Hendo was aggressive he was getting picked apart. Only reason it got boring late is because Hendo stopped coming forward. He made it a boring fight, and lost in the process. He should be happy though, at least now he get's to avoid the massacre that was going to take place if he fought Jon Jones.

So Hendo made it a boring fight by not coming forward anymore, even though Machida ran away most of the fight? Talk about delusional. There's definitely an argument Machida won, but if either of them had a bigger hand in making it a boring fight, it was Machida. Don't be blinded by bias.

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