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2/24/13 2:15 PM
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PatrickVilone
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Willy the Coyote - Anyone who thinks Dan won that fight is delusional. He was outclassed on the feet, and his biggest accomplishment was sitting in Lyoto's guard for a couple of minutes. Lyoto landed more significant strikes, showed far superior footwork, and did more damage on the ground in 5 seconds than Dan did in two minutes.

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2/24/13 2:16 PM
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SHOULD HAVE BEEN 5
2/24/13 2:17 PM
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Machida clearly won that boring fight Phone Post
2/24/13 2:17 PM
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MillhouseMMA - SHOULD HAVE BEEN 5
And this Phone Post
2/24/13 2:19 PM
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why the hell wasn't it scheduled for 5 rounds, as it was "co-main event" ?  maybe something MIGHT have happened in those extra 2 rounds.


was wondering this myself.
2/24/13 2:22 PM
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If your gonna argue for Dan don't say he won the first round. That was the only round that I consider not close.

Dan landed 2 good punches in the first. And got takendown.

Second was closest IMO

And I don't think lay and praying for 2 minutes redeems the 3 minutes of fighting Lyotos fight again..

People are always going to make excuses when they lose a decision to Machida.

It's scientifically proven you can run FAR faster forwards than backwards. If Dan was "bringing the fight to him" then why the fuck was he hitting air 90% of the time.

It's hard to out foot-work machida. But if you want to close the distance efficiently and cut him off that's what it takes. Don't let him circle and run and he won't have any distance to use. Lyoto with no distance is no Lyoto at all.

2/24/13 2:24 PM
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kao - seeeeee, karate point striking wins in mma tourney!!

I'd rather watch this than Greg Jackson point fighting ANY DAY.. Guida vs Maynard , Condit vs Diaz , the list goes on and on

if you think Lyoto was running in this fight you'll think those dudes are fucking sprinting
2/24/13 2:28 PM
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Bisping decisioned my SN - 
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Bentleysuper8 - At some point aggression needs to play a bigger role in scoring a fight. I would have given the fight to Dan. It was close for sure but when in doubt I'd always give it to the fighter who actually wants to fight.
Yes, lets totally reward fighters for walking forward even if you are not doing any damage or being more effective. Lets punish all the fighters who like to counterstrike by making the scoring biased towards certain styles.

/sarcasm

Its called "effective aggression" for a reason. Dan was not being effective. Same reason we all know Leonard Garcia didn't really win many of his decision wins. Now the judges get it right and you're crying because its Henderson. Phone Post
I don't always agree with you but I have to here. As much as I wanted Dan to win for the sake of him getting a shot at the title before he retires. Machida won that, sucks it wasn't as exciting as most expected but that's how Things go sometimes.

Dan couldn't be more aggressive because machida was already connecting on counters and hard knees/ kicks everytime he waded in.

Dan did not look that good and I don't think I'd want to see him against JBJ.

Machida is still the only person I believe has a shot currently at LHW and he only wins if he doesn't get taken down. Phone Post

this. Lyoto stands a good chance against Jones. He did get caught with that choke last time, but people seem to forget he also won the first round last time.

I just think it's hard for anyone to have an answer to the Dragons style.

I've followed Jones closely since the Bonnar fight.. every single fight he looks lightyears better.

Can't wait to see him KO chael

Then Machida Jones II is gonna be doppppppppeeeeeeeee
2/24/13 2:30 PM
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Hendo look in the Mirror at your face and look at Machida's.... Umm maybe you need to rethink things.
2/24/13 2:32 PM
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Judges need to force DRAWS for fights like this. Neither of them "won" a fight.
Same with the Bermudez/Grice fight, but for different reasons. I don't think either fighter should have "lost" that fight.
2/24/13 2:50 PM
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i am a big dan fan

and he clearly lost

2/24/13 2:50 PM
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I want dan to fight jones next, so ill settle for dan vs skooter. Phone Post
2/24/13 3:34 PM
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epic hero -
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epic hero - I thought nobody "won" but in terms of the decision I think it was a toss-up and I could see Dan deserving the nod. Machida would land a kick and would circle and back peddle for a minute afterwards, I think at some point you have to reward the aggressor
You reward the "effective aggressor" not just the aggressor. They used to make that mistake with Leonard Garcia. Everyone hated it then...

Plodding forward and swinging at air < backing up and accurately counter striking Phone Post

Like I said if you're circling and back peddling for a minute straight then yes at some point you favor the aggressor
The problem was that machida was landing.

If neither were landing I would agree in this case. Phone Post

So was Dan
It was not close between them on who was the more "effective striker". Machida was winning that category in every round. Check into the definition of effective striking. Then look into the sliding scale of how to factor each of the categories.

Machida won, and rightfully so. Phone Post
2/24/13 3:43 PM
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biva -  You didn't. It wasn't even close. You twatted the air though. That mixture of gases got a real beating. Phone Post

some twats do emit certain unpleasant gases but I think this is not the appropriate venue to discuss them
2/24/13 3:47 PM
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ROUND 1
Machida 0 10 of 18 56% 10 of 18 1 of 1 100% 0 0 0
Henderson 0 12 of 28 43% 13 of 29 0 of 0 0% 0 0 0
ROUND 2
Machida 0 11 of 25 44% 11 of 25 0 of 0 0% 0 0 0
Henderson 0 6 of 26 23% 7 of 27 0 of 2 0% 0 0 0
ROUND 3
Machida 0 6 of 11 55% 7 of 12 0 of 0 0% 0 0 0
Henderson 0 2 of 10 20% 34 of 42 1 of 1 100% 0 0 0
 
2/24/13 4:17 PM
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I can't believe Henderson didn't take advantage of his position when he was in Machida's guard. The trip takedown at the end of the 1st, & Hendo's inability to do anything once he had Machida down lost him the fight imo. At least he showed up trying to fight tho.
2/24/13 4:29 PM
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Yeah, Hendo... Cecil Peoples says you won it! LOLOL!11!

 

 

 

Oh wait, he actually did.

2/24/13 4:32 PM
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12SixElbow - 
ROUND 1
Machida 0 10 of 18 56% 10 of 18 1 of 1 100% 0 0 0
Henderson 0 12 of 28 43% 13 of 29 0 of 0 0% 0 0 0
ROUND 2
Machida 0 11 of 25 44% 11 of 25 0 of 0 0% 0 0 0
Henderson 0 6 of 26 23% 7 of 27 0 of 2 0% 0 0 0
ROUND 3
Machida 0 6 of 11 55% 7 of 12 0 of 0 0% 0 0 0
Henderson 0 2 of 10 20% 34 of 42 1 of 1 100% 0 0 0
 

And even these numbers from round three demonstrate that it was a close fight and depends mostly on how you weight the factors. Do 4 more significant strikes mean more than nearly 27 more total strikes? To fightmetric (and the judges last night) I guess so.
2/24/13 4:58 PM
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HexRei - 
12SixElbow - 
ROUND 1
Machida 0 10 of 18 56% 10 of 18 1 of 1 100% 0 0 0
Henderson 0 12 of 28 43% 13 of 29 0 of 0 0% 0 0 0
ROUND 2
Machida 0 11 of 25 44% 11 of 25 0 of 0 0% 0 0 0
Henderson 0 6 of 26 23% 7 of 27 0 of 2 0% 0 0 0
ROUND 3
Machida 0 6 of 11 55% 7 of 12 0 of 0 0% 0 0 0
Henderson 0 2 of 10 20% 34 of 42 1 of 1 100% 0 0 0
 

And even these numbers from round three demonstrate that it was a close fight and depends mostly on how you weight the factors. Do 4 more significant strikes mean more than nearly 27 more total strikes? To fightmetric (and the judges last night) I guess so.

Most of Hendo's stikes that landed happened when he got on top of Lyoto in round 3. I still don't think he even won that round, but even if you gave him that was the only round you can say he "outstruck" Lyoto although most were simply punches to stay active to avoid being stood up versus anything doing much damage.
2/24/13 5:03 PM
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ortman166 -  No mr Hendo you didn't Phone Post

this

 

 

 

2/24/13 5:04 PM
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Machida landed the more crisper strikes or more significant strikes - very close but a very clear decision for the Dragon.
2/24/13 6:07 PM
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Wow some of you guys are unbelievable. Machida has some of the most spectular finishes in the UFC and looking at his overall career he's actually becoming better at finishing fights overall not worse. Stop the Jon Fitch comparison nonsense. Dan was just an awkward matchup and one of the hardest people to finish period.
2/24/13 6:09 PM
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boxy - When Cecil Peoples said you won, it's time to acknowledge you lost.

Ha ha ha. I wish Peoples would've picked Machida so I could argue who won. Well said my friend

2/24/13 6:11 PM
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alkysmurf -  I'm waiting for the man who is going to stand up to these "elusive" "footwork" fighters and stop pressuring them, make them come to you. Take the center and wait, hands on hips if need be. I think a guy like machida who is such a defensive fighter, might have a hard time playing the aggressor.

Is this viable? Phone Post

Machida reacts to openings very quickly, if someone were to drop their hands Machida would probably capitalize immediately.
2/24/13 7:50 PM
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Machida was truly robbed out of a round.

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