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2/25/13 1:25 AM
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All I can say is Chael is awesome. He says what all of use are thinking. Phone Post
2/25/13 1:46 AM
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I am clearly not a fly because I look forward to Machida's fights.

2/25/13 2:08 AM
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Pride Wanderlei -  Chael would charge Machida and dump him on his ass. Over and over again Phone Post

Just as he was going to do with Silva
or just as Hendo was going to bomb Machida into next week.

Didnt quite work out that way on both counts now did it...
2/25/13 6:05 AM
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Pride Wanderlei - Chael would charge Machida and dump him on his ass. Over and over again Phone Post
I highly doubt that. In fact, remembering how Maia took down sonnen with a trip,and how machida took down hendo, also with a trip, it would not surprise me if machida took chael down Phone Post
2/25/13 6:15 AM
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Chael is the number 1 contender at Light HW? ? ?

If you can't beat them, join them. . . Chael has done amazing things.

2/25/13 6:19 AM
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Lol @ the guys in here discussing this as a serious topic.
2/25/13 6:35 AM
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"Alexander Gustaffson, Gegard Mousasi, step up and I'll take the winner."
Exactly.
2/25/13 6:38 AM
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Jon jones said the same thing about machida before he fought him. Phone Post
2/25/13 7:03 AM
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Hendo was right he won that fight.. As much damage Machida did countering, and the damage he did when he pulled gaurd, he never took the offensive, he never tried to finish Hendo, or even attempt more then 1 or 2 times to get to a position to finish the fight. <br /><br />They need there own judges, Yes this is "a fight", but if it was a fight off of the mats, there is NO winner if someone has not tapped or knocked out. If it goes to decision, it has to be who actually did more, who wanted to win more. You should not be able to win a decision by running and avoiding the other fighter like a bitch, and countering every 5-6 attempts of the other fighter. <br /><br />That fight was by far one of the worst fights, and most annoying fights I had ever watched. If I was Dana, I know what he said about the winner getting a shot at the belt, in no way does Machida deserve a shot after stealing money like he did running like a bitch for 12 of 15 mins. I dont wanna see that for 21 of 25 against Jones or anyone.
2/25/13 7:16 AM
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2/25/13 7:47 AM
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Chaels right lyoto is boring and he deserved to get booed at 157 even schaubs fight was better dan tried hes just to slow.....im not buying floor seats with him as a co main or main event again fool me once.
2/25/13 11:18 AM
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Of course. Chael is a politician at heart, I think this is one of those moments where he is being perfectly truthful. For him it's about perception, not reality.
2/25/13 11:32 AM
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machida has no problems selling ppv's. look up his sales if you want. they are fine. chael has never sold anything outside of a silva fight, and of course there will be big buys for an undeserved title fight against Jones. Outside of that, he hasn't sold shit. LOok at Machida's last 5 or 6 ppvs. all around 500,000+ Machida's drawing power is not a problem, it is a myth.  In fact, Machida drew better against shogun than jones, and nearly the same against rampage.  Look at Machida headlined cards here. not too bad, if you ask me:

http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

ufc 84 machida, ortiz 480k

ufc 98 machida evans 635k

ufc 104 machida shogun 500k

ufc 113 machida shogun2 520k

ufc 123 machida rampage 500k     ufc 140 machida jones 480k

2/25/13 11:40 AM
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Chael Sonnen

VP of Title Shots


legit lol
2/25/13 11:45 AM
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Lmao Phone Post
2/25/13 11:58 AM
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Immaculata - He won't have to worry about that.
This.
Enough blather from Sonnen already. Oh well. Phone Post
2/25/13 12:23 PM
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Sonnen has to keep the buzz going now that he exposed himself on TUF as a nice guy. There is no doubt it is all hype
2/25/13 12:41 PM
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Immaculata - He won't have to worry about that.
This.
Enough blather from Sonnen already. Oh well. Phone Post

I 2nd this. Why chat about a fight tat may or may not be offered to you after a fight in which you are an enormous under dog. I think an, "I hope to fae tat decision post Jones, but we'll see" would be more appropriate.
2/25/13 1:03 PM
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machida has no problems selling ppv's. look up his sales if you want. they are fine. chael has never sold anything outside of a silva fight, and of course there will be big buys for an undeserved title fight against Jones. Outside of that, he hasn't sold shit. LOok at Machida's last 5 or 6 ppvs. all around 500,000+ Machida's drawing power is not a problem, it is a myth.  In fact, Machida drew better against shogun than jones, and nearly the same against rampage.  Look at Machida headlined cards here. not too bad, if you ask me:

http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

ufc 84 machida, ortiz 480k

ufc 98 machida evans 635k

ufc 104 machida shogun 500k

ufc 113 machida shogun2 520k

ufc 123 machida rampage 500k     ufc 140 machida jones 480k


08/07/2010 UFC 117 Silva vs. Sonnen 600,000
07/07/2012 UFC 148 Silva vs. Sonnen II 925,000

Machida's best day barely beat's sonnen's worst.

2/25/13 1:21 PM
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machida has no problems selling ppv's. look up his sales if you want. they are fine. chael has never sold anything outside of a silva fight, and of course there will be big buys for an undeserved title fight against Jones. Outside of that, he hasn't sold shit. LOok at Machida's last 5 or 6 ppvs. all around 500,000+ Machida's drawing power is not a problem, it is a myth.  In fact, Machida drew better against shogun than jones, and nearly the same against rampage.  Look at Machida headlined cards here. not too bad, if you ask me:

http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

ufc 84 machida, ortiz 480k

ufc 98 machida evans 635k

ufc 104 machida shogun 500k

ufc 113 machida shogun2 520k

ufc 123 machida rampage 500k     ufc 140 machida jones 480k


08/07/2010 UFC 117 Silva vs. Sonnen 600,000
07/07/2012 UFC 148 Silva vs. Sonnen II 925,000

Machida's best day barely beat's sonnen's worst.

LOL

Does the name Anderson Silva ring any bells? Phone Post

10/14/06 UFC 64 Franklin v. Silva 300,000
02/03/07 UFC 67 Silva v. Lutter 400,000
03/01/08 UFC 82 Silva v. Henderson 325,000
10/25/08 UFC 90 Silva v. Cote 300,000
04/10/2010 UFC 112 Silva vs. Maia 500,000
08/07/2010 UFC 117 Silva vs. Sonnen 600,000
02/05/2011 UFC 126 Silva vs. Belfort 725,000
08/27/2011 UFC 134 Silva vs. Okami 335,000
07/07/2012 UFC 148 Silva vs. Sonnen II 925,000
10/13/2012 UFC 153 Silva vs. Bonnar 410,000


Sonnen was 2 of Silva's top 3 PPV's. Silva himself is an incredible fighter but not a correspondingly incredible draw
2/25/13 1:25 PM
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I won't be surprised if the Jones fight ends up being Sonnen's last. It's going to be brutal.
2/25/13 1:56 PM
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machida has no problems selling ppv's. look up his sales if you want. they are fine. chael has never sold anything outside of a silva fight, and of course there will be big buys for an undeserved title fight against Jones. Outside of that, he hasn't sold shit. LOok at Machida's last 5 or 6 ppvs. all around 500,000+ Machida's drawing power is not a problem, it is a myth.  In fact, Machida drew better against shogun than jones, and nearly the same against rampage.  Look at Machida headlined cards here. not too bad, if you ask me:

http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

ufc 84 machida, ortiz 480k

ufc 98 machida evans 635k

ufc 104 machida shogun 500k

ufc 113 machida shogun2 520k

ufc 123 machida rampage 500k     ufc 140 machida jones 480k


08/07/2010 UFC 117 Silva vs. Sonnen 600,000
07/07/2012 UFC 148 Silva vs. Sonnen II 925,000

Machida's best day barely beat's sonnen's worst.


check out ufc 136 where Sonnen was co-main event. 225k. one of the worst selling ppv's of the past 5 years. lol

2/25/13 1:59 PM
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machida has no problems selling ppv's. look up his sales if you want. they are fine. chael has never sold anything outside of a silva fight, and of course there will be big buys for an undeserved title fight against Jones. Outside of that, he hasn't sold shit. LOok at Machida's last 5 or 6 ppvs. all around 500,000+ Machida's drawing power is not a problem, it is a myth.  In fact, Machida drew better against shogun than jones, and nearly the same against rampage.  Look at Machida headlined cards here. not too bad, if you ask me:

http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

ufc 84 machida, ortiz 480k

ufc 98 machida evans 635k

ufc 104 machida shogun 500k

ufc 113 machida shogun2 520k

ufc 123 machida rampage 500k     ufc 140 machida jones 480k


08/07/2010 UFC 117 Silva vs. Sonnen 600,000
07/07/2012 UFC 148 Silva vs. Sonnen II 925,000

Machida's best day barely beat's sonnen's worst.


check out ufc 136 where Sonnen was co-main event. 225k. one of the worst selling ppv's of the past 5 years. lol


the headliner was edgar maynard III...
2/25/13 2:04 PM
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Get on his level.

 

The one and only Chael P. Sonnen is a mastermind of everything.

 

If Mr. Sonnen says it, it is what it is.

 

2/25/13 2:12 PM
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machida has no problems selling ppv's. look up his sales if you want. they are fine. chael has never sold anything outside of a silva fight, and of course there will be big buys for an undeserved title fight against Jones. Outside of that, he hasn't sold shit. LOok at Machida's last 5 or 6 ppvs. all around 500,000+ Machida's drawing power is not a problem, it is a myth.  In fact, Machida drew better against shogun than jones, and nearly the same against rampage.  Look at Machida headlined cards here. not too bad, if you ask me:

http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

ufc 84 machida, ortiz 480k

ufc 98 machida evans 635k

ufc 104 machida shogun 500k

ufc 113 machida shogun2 520k

ufc 123 machida rampage 500k     ufc 140 machida jones 480k


08/07/2010 UFC 117 Silva vs. Sonnen 600,000
07/07/2012 UFC 148 Silva vs. Sonnen II 925,000

Machida's best day barely beat's sonnen's worst.


check out ufc 136 where Sonnen was co-main event. 225k. one of the worst selling ppv's of the past 5 years. lol


the headliner was edgar maynard III...

Aldo Florian were also on it. im pretty sure people are allowed to buy a card for fights that are not the main event. the point is Chael sonnen doesn't necessarily get sales if the circumstances aren't just right for him.

You can't seriously look at Machida's numbers and make a valid point that he doesn't sell. Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard don't sell. Matt Hamill and Thiago Silva couldn't sell main events against guys who typically pull good numbers. Dan Henderson doesn't sell well as a headliner. Lyoto Machida is none of those guys.


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