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4/26/13 8:38 AM
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I've always questioned how great Jones really is, now before you jump at my throat he's an amazing fight, absolutely but in terms how highly regarded he is as a top 2 pound for pound or the greatest fighter alive.

All of Jones wins were against faded champions at their worst.

Shogun Rua

Vladimir Matyushenko

Rashad Evans

Lyoto Machida

Quinton Jackson


Jones beat all of these fights at their absolute worst at the ends of their careers, ontop of that the fights with Chael Sonnen and Vitor Belfort who were fresh off losses at a weight division below are being fed to him while sharks like Gustafsson, Glover and Comier are being overlooked somehow as contenders.

I've thought for quite a while 205lbs was a shallow division recycling worn out used to be's because it wasn't really generating any new stars but because of the star power it's always garnered ( Tito, Chuck, Couture ) no fans really would ever believe that.
4/26/13 8:45 AM
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Jones cant pick who he fights, its not like he said, oh just give me the easy ones. and honestly, list liddel or tito's opponents.. guarantee any former champ jon beat is way better than anyone on that list. its always gonna be some excuse. even if he moves up. Phone Post
4/26/13 8:46 AM
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I want to start off with saying I don't like Jones as a person.

As a fighter he is definitely Champion material. He wins decisively and in a dominating fashion against previous champions who should at least look like they put up a fight.

The armbar I think comes from Vitor spending a lifetime on the mats, and at the end of the day, he didn't win.
4/26/13 8:47 AM
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<blockquote>MMA Lives Here - 

I think Jones would stop Cain in highlight reel fashion. So yeah I don't think he's overrated at all <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


</blockquote><br />I genuinely hope we get to see that fight someday, I give Jones a better chance against Cain or Cormier than Alistair, Werdum or Junior though. Still I would prefer guys like Glover and Gustafsson getting their shots before Jones runs away to HW, just feels weird he beats up Chael and Vitor now it's time to leave LHW....What?
4/26/13 8:48 AM
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I've been trying to change OP's name to PopFarts.

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4/26/13 8:49 AM
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MMA Lives Here - I think Jones would stop Cain in highlight reel fashion. So yeah I don't think he's overrated at all Phone Post
No way Phone Post 3.0
4/26/13 8:50 AM
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I am NOT a fan of Jones, but I definitely do not think he is overrated. I think he is the real deal.
4/26/13 8:52 AM
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aka_rtotheoh - Jones cant pick who he fights, its not like he said, oh just give me the easy ones. and honestly, list liddel or tito's opponents.. guarantee any former champ jon beat is way better than anyone on that list. its always gonna be some excuse. even if he moves up. Phone Post
Exactly. Jon jones made then look faded because he is that good. Phone Post 3.0
4/26/13 8:53 AM
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aka_rtotheoh -  Jones cant pick who he fights, its not like he said, oh just give me the easy ones. and honestly, list liddel or tito's opponents.. guarantee any former champ jon beat is way better than anyone on that list. its always gonna be some excuse. even if he moves up. Phone Post

I'm more or less stating LHW has been a barren land for quite a while now, it's not surprising Jones dominated older champions at the end of their careers looking out of their primes.

I'm saying for such a great champion, why hasn't Jones taken out any upsurging contenders yet? I'm saying I would like to see him against Gustafsson, Glover, Cormier type fighters before he leaves the division.

Leaving a division after beating up two consecutive guys that don't even fight in it is weird. I'm just asking questions, not trying to discredit anyone. Jones is a great champion, but he isn't in a division with that much talent compared to quite a lot. A lot of washed up fighters who still get the highest of regards from name recognition.
4/26/13 8:56 AM
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aka_rtotheoh - Jones cant pick who he fights, its not like he said, oh just give me the easy ones. and honestly, list liddel or tito's opponents.. guarantee any former champ jon beat is way better than anyone on that list. its always gonna be some excuse. even if he moves up. Phone Post
Exactly. Jon jones made then look faded because he is that good. Phone Post 3.0

If you couldn't tell Rampage, Shogun, Rashad and Vladdy looked faded before they faced Jones you're simply an idiot. Machida's career had somewhat fallen apart and was tossed at Jones by default.

Your argument sucks. Jones is the real deal at 205, he is amazing but there's still things I'm question....Legitimately.
4/26/13 9:07 AM
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Anderson has had some pretty weak opposition too.

you defend against the top of the pack, and you're not over rated...your division can be weak over all, but that might make your pound for pound ranking drop but it doesn't make you over rated.
4/26/13 9:09 AM
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Tharian -  Yes, overated.

Machida won the firsrt round, Vítor almoust had that armbar. Rampage went out 0-3 after and Shogun is 1-2. Evans wasnt a great fight either. Phone Post

shut the hell up.
4/26/13 9:12 AM
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Tharian - Yes, overated.

Machida won the firsrt round, Vítor almoust had that armbar. Rampage went out 0-3 after and Shogun is 1-2. Evans wasnt a great fight either. Phone Post
"Machida hit him once and he almost got put in a position to tap by a BJ black belt and one of the greats, before annihilating both of them easily"... Yeah, he blows.

...regardless of - to this day - never having a contest.

I dislike this guy, probably as bad as anyone. But, overrated, he is not... and the potential here is endless. Phone Post 3.0
4/26/13 9:12 AM
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Tharian -  Yes, overated.

Machida won the firsrt round, Vítor almoust had that armbar. Rampage went out 0-3 after and Shogun is 1-2. Evans wasnt a great fight either. Phone Post

Winning the first round means nothing if you lost the fight. Almost having an armbar doesn't win the fight. Page and Evans have not looked that good lately though, I agree fully about this.
4/26/13 9:14 AM
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sacredhate - Anderson has had some pretty weak opposition too.

you defend against the top of the pack, and you're not over rated...your division can be weak over all, but that might make your pound for pound ranking drop but it doesn't make you over rated.

You know...I'm supporting my claims, bringing up valid arguments, stating facts. Nobody has offered any debate or counter arguments.

I'm not saying he isn't the best LHW or that he isn't a great champion. Re-read please. Jones as a fighter only gets positive praise, best we've ever seen, greatest talent in MMA history, future pound for pound great. I'm just questioning a few things and arguing a few things respectively.

C'mon.
4/26/13 9:14 AM
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Not overrated, he's beat a who's who of fighters regardless of when he fought them. Also, not only did he beat them, he pretty much destroyed all of them lol Phone Post 3.0
4/26/13 9:20 AM
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Chadderz - I want to start off with saying I don't like Jones as a person.

As a fighter he is definitely Champion material. He wins decisively and in a dominating fashion against previous champions who should at least look like they put up a fight.

The armbar I think comes from Vitor spending a lifetime on the mats, and at the end of the day, he didn't win.

"Champion material" lol

Haha, if it wasn't for Google Chrome my grammar would be worse!
4/26/13 9:24 AM
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JBJ has smashed every fighter put in front of him and will continue to do so.  

4/26/13 9:26 AM
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4/26/13 9:27 AM
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he is in a division that has the least talent currently peaking.

i agree that the division was ripe with big names and excellent fighters in the sunsets of their careers.

the reason i say he's not over rated is that he isn't going the distance with these legends, he's mostly dismantling them with ease.

Rashad is the closest thing to a same gen fighter peaking at the same time and he beat him. Machida was certainly at his peak when JBJ defeated him, as was Bader.
4/26/13 9:32 AM
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I think he owns 205 as long as he stays there
4/26/13 9:37 AM
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It is true that Jones has beat up old and beat-up competition.....But, he does look like the real deal......I do look forward to seeing some young guns emerge to challenge him.
4/26/13 9:42 AM
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You can't quest jj skill and athleticism. He dominates. I am not a fan though. The only thing in question is jj heart. The way he was acting about his arm after the vitor fight made me think that's his weakness. If he's taken down and hit with some good ground and pound that will answer the question Phone Post 3.0
4/26/13 9:56 AM
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Jones is NOT overrated. When his career is over he will go down in the history books as the greatest MMA fighter of all time. After dominating LHW he will destroy Anderson Silva, then dominate the HW division.

It's easy to say he is overrated right now, he has only 18 total pro fights in five years. Andersons career has spanned 15 years and 37 pro fights.

After only 5 years Jones is clearly in the top 3 pound-for-pound fighters.

Clearly NOT overrated.
4/26/13 10:03 AM
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Shogun was going to beat him, Machida same thing...

Jon Jones is the real deal. Even Pride Shogun would have lost to him in a close decision.

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