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5/19/13 3:01 PM
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Abrtitans - Look at how much a pro baseball players makes in the minor leagues. Around 10 grand a year. Phone Post 3.0
so the ufc is now equal to the minor leagues in baseball? Phone Post 3.0
5/19/13 4:26 PM
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JetSetter - When you start at a firm on Wall St you start in the mail room making 25k per year while your boss is making $50 million per year.
People act like the UFC is so out of line with the rest of society but its all relative.

The reality in life is Be the best and get the best pay or change professions Phone Post 3.0

When you make it to the UFC, you've proven to be the best according to them. They state they have all the best fighters.. and yet the monicker of U FIGHT CHEAP is stated by many behind the scenes. 


Straw man. When they say they have the best guys they aren't saying even the worst fighter on the roster is better then the best guy not on the roster. That would be idiotic. They clearly have entry level fighters and they get paid like entry level fighters. If his skill level dictated more pay he would have been getting it from Bellator or somewhere else. But clearly the market isn't willing to pay him enough to stay in the sport. He's more valuable on wall street than he is as an MMA fighter. Sucks that he can't just live off his hobby, but sometimes reality sucks.
5/19/13 4:27 PM
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Abrtitans - Look at how much a pro baseball players makes in the minor leagues. Around 10 grand a year. Phone Post 3.0
so the ufc is now equal to the minor leagues in baseball? Phone Post 3.0

How does that make any sense? Clearly what he's suggesting is that Cholish is a lower tier fighter in the UFC.
5/19/13 4:31 PM
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Abrtitans - Look at how much a pro baseball players makes in the minor leagues. Around 10 grand a year. Phone Post 3.0
so the ufc is now equal to the minor leagues in baseball? Phone Post 3.0

How does that make any sense? Clearly what he's suggesting is that Cholish is a lower tier fighter in the UFC.

UFC is not the minor leagues though
5/19/13 4:33 PM
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JetSetter - When you start at a firm on Wall St you start in the mail room making 25k per year while your boss is making $50 million per year.
People act like the UFC is so out of line with the rest of society but its all relative.

The reality in life is Be the best and get the best pay or change professions Phone Post 3.0

When you make it to the UFC, you've proven to be the best according to them. They state they have all the best fighters.. and yet the monicker of U FIGHT CHEAP is stated by many behind the scenes. 


Straw man. When they say they have the best guys they aren't saying even the worst fighter on the roster is better then the best guy not on the roster. That would be idiotic. They clearly have entry level fighters and they get paid like entry level fighters. If his skill level dictated more pay he would have been getting it from Bellator or somewhere else. But clearly the market isn't willing to pay him enough to stay in the sport. He's more valuable on wall street than he is as an MMA fighter. Sucks that he can't just live off his hobby, but sometimes reality sucks.
So what you're saying in the nfl of mma, that the lowest tiered fighter in the cream of the crop shouldnt make a living wage? No where will you see me say that all fighters should be making 100k per fight.. But they should be making enough on the purse alone to sustain a 100% fighter's training lifestyle. They shouldnt be holding second jobs while in the ufc, up till then sure, but not once they sign with zuffa. Unless they want to keep anjob like shane carwin did or something of that nature. A multibillion dollar company who is built on the fighters entertaining us should give them more, simple. It is a business and they should have great profits but paying their fighters more wont hurt profits too much imo. Phone Post 3.0
5/19/13 4:36 PM
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Abrtitans - Look at how much a pro baseball players makes in the minor leagues. Around 10 grand a year. Phone Post 3.0
so the ufc is now equal to the minor leagues in baseball? Phone Post 3.0

How does that make any sense? Clearly what he's suggesting is that Cholish is a lower tier fighter in the UFC.
a back up outfielder isn't as good as mike trout. but that back up is making the league minimum which is A LOT Phone Post 3.0
5/19/13 4:39 PM
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Assuming its true, Im disgusted by the fact that he actually ended up in the negative

That should not be happening in the UFC Phone Post
5/19/13 4:40 PM
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UFC fighters should make at least 20k to show period.

5/19/13 5:23 PM
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caseharts - I will be happy when a Union comes about. 4000 is a tad low imo. Minimum should be 25 k pet fight. Phone Post
25k to show as a bare minimum? That's never going to happen. Something like 8k to show is much more realistic. Phone Post 3.0
5/19/13 5:32 PM
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JetSetter - When you start at a firm on Wall St you start in the mail room making 25k per year while your boss is making $50 million per year.
People act like the UFC is so out of line with the rest of society but its all relative.

The reality in life is Be the best and get the best pay or change professions Phone Post 3.0
It's not a mail room gig.

It's a pro sport on TELEVISION.

The 12th guy on every NBA team makes more than EVERY single UFC fighter save for GSP and Silva.

Your average AAA baseball player earns more than UFC undercard guys and they aren't playing ball on FOX on a Saturday night. Phone Post
5/19/13 5:49 PM
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Abrtitans - Look at how much a pro baseball players makes in the minor leagues. Around 10 grand a year. Phone Post 3.0

That doesn't sound as real as it gets bro.
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5/19/13 5:58 PM
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w9 - Sometimes I think UFC is not a real sport.

Another example of how the brand "UFC" is becoming bigger than the sport itself. You don't call boxing "WBO" do you? The UFC needs to put more effort into globalising the SPORT otherwise MMA will never be viewed as a legitimate one. Sick and tired of people asking "do you trane ufc?"

Also those who are saying that low tier UFC fighters should work their way up before being paid liveable wages are idiots. THESE ARE PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS AT THE TOP OF THEIR SPORT FOR FUCKS SAKE.
5/19/13 5:58 PM
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caseharts - I will be happy when a Union comes about. 4000 is a tad low imo. Minimum should be 25 k pet fight. Phone Post
25k to show as a bare minimum? That's never going to happen. Something like 8k to show is much more realistic. Phone Post 3.0
Think he meant 25k period.. Not to show. Phone Post 3.0
5/19/13 6:01 PM
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John Cholish was one of those fighters that should of never been signed to the UFC, he wouldn't even of been a standout fighter on a KOTC level.

I can't really read too much into this.
5/19/13 6:06 PM
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The problem with the UFC is that they INSIST on putting on so many cards to flood the market and stifle competition and they sign EVERYONE they can to also stifle competition so they end up with this GIGANTIC roster full of guys who are never going to make enough of an impact to warrant big pay. So you have a big company that is at the top of the industry employing a lot of guys at very low pay levels which doesn't look good but makes sense on a market level.

If the UFC only put on Super Cards this wouldn't even be a discussion...

5/19/13 6:09 PM
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Fuck you and your 4k dollars

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5/19/13 6:16 PM
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The problem with the UFC is that they INSIST on putting on so many cards to flood the market and stifle competition and they sign EVERYONE they can to also stifle competition so they end up with this GIGANTIC roster full of guys who are never going to make enough of an impact to warrant big pay. So you have a big company that is at the top of the industry employing a lot of guys at very low pay levels which doesn't look good but makes sense on a market level.

If the UFC only put on Super Cards this wouldn't even be a discussion...


While I agree that the UFC is trying to put on as many cards as they possibly can and still profit for the sake of letting their be no competition, I think it's idiotic to only want them to make "super cards". I heard they plan to have weekly cards by july or so, I think that's retaliation to put Bellator down too.

I think the UFC has it's priorities in the wrong places, all this focus on re-inventing TUF an Women division's seems trifling in comparison to them supporting other parts of the worlds growth into mixed martial arts and even having cards there. Russia, India, Iran, Mexico, Argentina, Middle east and east europe in general really too, they could be doing way better in latin america and the asian countries.

I think like boxing though, aslong as it's centered around the US the great champions in other lands will never get the attention, money an fame they deserve it's a black american an latino man's game right now, not because they are actually the best just...race and nationality are probably what sells best..
5/19/13 6:28 PM
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Lobo8 - Oh my mistake. I think the pay for the low tier guys is decent and the ufc pays for hotel, tickets, and some food. They do plenty for these bottom guys. Ufc goes through a bunch of guys that dont make the cut. To get higher pay you need to prove yourshelf and show that you belong there.

lol @ that.. Dude.. If you're in the UFC you should be counted as Cream of the Crop. That's how they sell it and thats how all the fighters should be paid. Does he need to make 500k a fight? fuck no.. but a liveable wage is what is the right thing to be done. 

 

and MMAillogic. Brilliant statement. Just so refreshing to have you on here giving us all this wonderful insight on the MMA business. 

I agree with this very much. If these guys made enough so they didn't have to work they could spend more time and focus on their training. Again 500k a fight no but maybe15- 20 minimum Phone Post 3.0
Yeah let's pay John cholish (who the hell is John cholish) 20 grand to go get guillotined in 2 minutes. Sounds like a smart business plan Phone Post 3.0
5/19/13 6:29 PM
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Haulport - 

The problem with the UFC is that they INSIST on putting on so many cards to flood the market and stifle competition and they sign EVERYONE they can to also stifle competition so they end up with this GIGANTIC roster full of guys who are never going to make enough of an impact to warrant big pay. So you have a big company that is at the top of the industry employing a lot of guys at very low pay levels which doesn't look good but makes sense on a market level.

If the UFC only put on Super Cards this wouldn't even be a discussion...


good point if there was an equivalent of a player association like in other sports they would be able to negotiate some collective terms like minimum fight pay, not just rely on the good will of the owners who are possibly making what could be considered an unfair percentage of revenue. then the ufc might be more selective about who they put on cards but the fighters who remain on the roster would have a bigger upside which in the long term improves the product
5/19/13 6:35 PM
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Cholish is a guy that acts like a cholo, but doesn't fully commit, therefor he's just.....Cholish.

5/19/13 6:39 PM
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Too many UFC shills on this thread. They are getting underpaid. After taxes from prize fighting purses, paying managers, trainers.. Its not worth the ass beating if you have a good job like Cholish or Carwin.
5/19/13 6:41 PM
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These are the purses for the undercard fighters on the last Mayweather PPV.  You'd be hard pressed to find any casual boxing fan who knows who these guys are, yet the lowest paid is still making more than a lower tier UFC guy.

The purses for the other televised bouts are $375,000 apiece for featherweight titlist Daniel Ponce De Leon (44-4, 35 KOs) and challenger Abner Mares (25-0-1, 13 KOs); junior featherweight Leo Santa Cruz (23-0-1, 13 KOs), who vacated his bantamweight world title to move up in weight, will earn $165,000, while opponent Alexander Munoz (36-4, 28 KOs) will make $25,000; and middleweight J'Leon Love (15-0, 8 KOs) will make $100,000 and his opponent, Gabriel Rosado (21-6, 13 KOs), will earn $60,000.

The biggest UFC in the last year was Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen II.  It sold just as much as the Mayweather PPV, yet you had Cody McKenzie making $10,000 on the main F'N card.

5/19/13 6:45 PM
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I help train a fighter who has 17 pro fights he is one of the top ranked non-UFC fighters. His last local fight he took home around 8K - I really think if he gets signed to the UFC he will be taking a major pay cut - sad

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