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6/15/13 1:05 PM
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Is this the mma version of planking Phone Post

yup, out cold bay-bee

6/15/13 1:13 PM
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I think it was a borderline call. You see Fitch's knee go down and then Burkman immediately releases him. When was Mazagatti supposed to step in, BEFORE Fitch was out?

Josh Burkman is just a pro, that's all that's to it. I don't think Mazagatti deserves the criticism for this one. Otherwise you better be prepared to criticize a lot of refs involved with walk-off KO's. Phone Post 3.0
6/15/13 1:18 PM
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caposa - I think it was a borderline call. You see Fitch's knee go down and then Burkman immediately releases him. When was Mazagatti supposed to step in, BEFORE Fitch was out?

Josh Burkman is just a pro, that's all that's to it. I don't think Mazagatti deserves the criticism for this one. Otherwise you better be prepared to criticize a lot of refs involved with walk-off KO's. Phone Post 3.0

Agreed, I think this is more indicative of Josh's professionalism - both regarding his skill and his respect for his opponent – than overwhelming fail by Mazagatti. Had he held it for five more seconds while yelling at Maz to stop it then yes that would have been bad. Burkman's just a pro
6/15/13 1:36 PM
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Joshua King - Yeah that was class unlike what bones did to machida Phone Post 3.0
Good fucking post Phone Post 3.0
6/15/13 1:39 PM
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Kerouac - So yeh, not sure what the fuck you guys are outraged about.
Really? How about the fact that Mazagatti was stood on the wrong side about 6 foot from the action.

Him being stood there meant he never did or never would have seen Fitch go limp. Phone Post 3.0

Maybes are hard to go on, but I get your point. He seemed laissez-faireish.

Still though, Josh let go, Fitch was out, fight over...no damage.

Think about all the one hit knockouts that are followed up with at least one punch...should all the refs that don't swandive between both fighters be scrutinized the same way?

Quite a few wagoners here.
Yeah, burkman did let go, I think people's point is, what if it was a killer like, I dunno frank mir?

He aint letting go until the ref drags him off.

Fitch was lucky it was burkman. Phone Post
THIS right here ^^^^^

and the people flapping "what is so wrong?"

...you are what's wrong. Idiots Phone Post
6/15/13 1:41 PM
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dfw jr - I don't dislike Fitch at all Phone Post
Win or lose this was most definitely an "oh shit moment"

Sucks to see good guys lose when they are down however it is a fight and someone has to...

Hopefully Fitch can get it back together. Phone Post 3.0
6/15/13 1:53 PM
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Great photo.

6/15/13 1:56 PM
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mazzagatti knew immediately that hed screwed up
6/15/13 2:09 PM
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6/15/13 2:19 PM
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Ya can't really blame Mazazagatti for this one. Burkman felt Fitch go limp and released him right away.

Respect to Josh for that.

I love it when guy's know a fighter is KO'd or choked out then stop fighting without the ref having to intervene.
6/15/13 2:22 PM
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Should've had the guy with the long mustache. He could've tickled Fitches ear with it to confirm if he was out.

6/15/13 2:25 PM
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that's so bad ass... just as street as a mark hunt walk away KO.
6/15/13 2:41 PM
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caposa - I think it was a borderline call. You see Fitch's knee go down and then Burkman immediately releases him. When was Mazagatti supposed to step in, BEFORE Fitch was out?

Josh Burkman is just a pro, that's all that's to it. I don't think Mazagatti deserves the criticism for this one. Otherwise you better be prepared to criticize a lot of refs involved with walk-off KO's. Phone Post 3.0

But had he not let go when was Mazz gonna do something? Cause he was just standing there doing nothing even when Josh let go Mazz was like oh shit, he is out.

WHich means had Josh not let go Mazz probably lets him choke him out more for another 5 to who knows how many more seconds.

Soon as the guy gets put in the choke shouldnt the ref be right there in position to see a tap or him go out? He just stood in the corner like they were wrestling instead of a sub being applied.

6/15/13 2:52 PM
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Mazz shoulda been looking closer that was a deeeeep choke. Phone Post
6/15/13 3:01 PM
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caposa - I think it was a borderline call. You see Fitch's knee go down and then Burkman immediately releases him. When was Mazagatti supposed to step in, BEFORE Fitch was out?

Josh Burkman is just a pro, that's all that's to it. I don't think Mazagatti deserves the criticism for this one. Otherwise you better be prepared to criticize a lot of refs involved with walk-off KO's. Phone Post 3.0

But had he not let go when was Mazz gonna do something? Cause he was just standing there doing nothing even when Josh let go Mazz was like oh shit, he is out.

WHich means had Josh not let go Mazz probably lets him choke him out more for another 5 to who knows how many more seconds.

Soon as the guy gets put in the choke shouldnt the ref be right there in position to see a tap or him go out? He just stood in the corner like they were wrestling instead of a sub being applied.


How are we supposed to determine what Maz may have done?

Maybe you missed this angle, but he had a perfect view from the top. He was literally right on top of the action and was standing at most 12 inches away while leaning in.

I guess you could say he should have been on his hands and knees with his face right in there, but this sequence happened VERY quickly. Fitch went unconscious VERY quickly. I just feel like people are directing blame at the ref, when Burkman should get credit for being a professional and knowing the second his opponent was out.

6/15/13 3:03 PM
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Ya, after watching that GIF, maz clearly did nothing wrong.

Someone said it best earlier in this thread. When you hate someone, everything they do bothers you. When you love someone, they can do no wrong.
6/15/13 3:04 PM
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caposa - I think it was a borderline call. You see Fitch's knee go down and then Burkman immediately releases him. When was Mazagatti supposed to step in, BEFORE Fitch was out?

Josh Burkman is just a pro, that's all that's to it. I don't think Mazagatti deserves the criticism for this one. Otherwise you better be prepared to criticize a lot of refs involved with walk-off KO's. Phone Post 3.0

But had he not let go when was Mazz gonna do something? Cause he was just standing there doing nothing even when Josh let go Mazz was like oh shit, he is out.

WHich means had Josh not let go Mazz probably lets him choke him out more for another 5 to who knows how many more seconds.

Soon as the guy gets put in the choke shouldnt the ref be right there in position to see a tap or him go out? He just stood in the corner like they were wrestling instead of a sub being applied.


How are we supposed to determine what Maz may have done?

Maybe you missed this angle, but he had a perfect view from the top. He was literally right on top of the action and was standing at most 12 inches away while leaning in.

I guess you could say he should have been on his hands and knees with his face right in there, but this sequence happened VERY quickly. Fitch went unconscious VERY quickly. I just feel like people are directing blame at the ref, when Burkman should get credit for being a professional and knowing the second his opponent was out.

Looks like mazzagatti tea-bagged Fitch in that .gif Phone Post
6/15/13 3:04 PM
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dfw jr -  Thank god Josh is class and stopped because that fucking idiot Mazzagatti had NO CLUE what was going on. Much respect Josh Phone Post

Hey Dana,

You ever have anything nice and positive to say (that isn't some sort of overt marketing ploy)?

6/15/13 3:11 PM
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I think Mazz sucks and is an idiot for standing there long after Josh let go, but Josh released the choke immediately upon Fitch going out.. Any sooner and everyone would've been crying about stopping the fight too soon Phone Post 3.0
6/15/13 3:16 PM
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Anyone blaming Mazagatti is a fucking moron just looking for a reason to shit on him. Sure he's made shit calls but this isn't one of them. How many times has a guy been out and he looks at the ref and says "he's out" then the ref comes in. As SOON as Fitch went limp Burkman let go. No one in the world could have stopped that sooner. If that was Herb Dean would people be saying what a shit call that was and spazzing out on twitter. People are just looking for someone to shit on.
6/15/13 3:20 PM
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dfw jr - Thank god Josh is class and stopped because that fucking idiot Mazzagatti had NO CLUE what was going on. Much respect Josh Phone Post
WTF are you talking about?
The difference was not even seconds.
And you call other fighters comments stupid.
Why don't you stfu about refs, corner coaching, and pretty much everything not pertaining to promotion.
Steve is fine.

+77 btw ass kissers, do your worst Phone Post
6/15/13 3:24 PM
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Well, Dana White as at least true to his words when he says he's a fight fan and watches fights if they are on.

He watched WSOF obviously haha
6/15/13 3:36 PM
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But how many times have we seen Fitch in a choke that looks like a finisher and he was totally fine?

Maybe the ref was taking that into consideration. Josh let go pretty much right when he went limp.
6/15/13 3:58 PM
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caposa - I think it was a borderline call. You see Fitch's knee go down and then Burkman immediately releases him. When was Mazagatti supposed to step in, BEFORE Fitch was out?

Josh Burkman is just a pro, that's all that's to it. I don't think Mazagatti deserves the criticism for this one. Otherwise you better be prepared to criticize a lot of refs involved with walk-off KO's. Phone Post 3.0

But had he not let go when was Mazz gonna do something? Cause he was just standing there doing nothing even when Josh let go Mazz was like oh shit, he is out.

WHich means had Josh not let go Mazz probably lets him choke him out more for another 5 to who knows how many more seconds.

Soon as the guy gets put in the choke shouldnt the ref be right there in position to see a tap or him go out? He just stood in the corner like they were wrestling instead of a sub being applied.


How are we supposed to determine what Maz may have done?

Maybe you missed this angle, but he had a perfect view from the top. He was literally right on top of the action and was standing at most 12 inches away while leaning in.

I guess you could say he should have been on his hands and knees with his face right in there, but this sequence happened VERY quickly. Fitch went unconscious VERY quickly. I just feel like people are directing blame at the ref, when Burkman should get credit for being a professional and knowing the second his opponent was out.


That angle he comes in, leans and then BACKS AWAY.

He doesnt get down and really lean in to either see a tap or more importantly be in a position to check Fitch's arm to see if he is out. Yes it happened quickly but I think he wasnt in the position he should have been in.

Especially knowing Fitch was rocked and that choke was tight, it wasnt an arm in choke, it was fully locked in.

and I dont care who the ref it, Herb, John, Mazz, I'd say the ref wasnt in the position he needed to be in.

and another thing, Mazz doesnt even move an inch until Josh lets go, rolls over, gets up and poses. So when the hell was he gonna move in to stop the fight if Josh didnt let go?
6/15/13 4:01 PM
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12 inches away? No way. He was hardly even bent over checking on him.

Look at how the ref is checking in on wandy trying to choke out Bisping
http://www.mmafight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Wandy-Guillotine-Bisping-2.gif

He saw him lock up the choke when they were standing so he should have been ready to get down to check on Fitch immediately after it hit the mat.

I understand both sides. Just my opinion. Phone Post

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