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6/15/13 11:15 AM
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If Josh is smart he will stay over at wsof to increase his value. Phone Post
6/15/13 11:22 AM
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lurkingveteran - People are getting distracted by the fact Mazagatti couldnt of stopped it faster than the 1.5 seconds it took before Burkman lets go, THIS IS NOT THE POINT!

Assume Burkman like 95pc of fighters doesnt let go until the ref stops it. Mazzagatti is not even considering the possibility that Fitch could be in trouble let alone out when he is in fact UNCONSCIOUS.

Then we have potentially the time to get down on the ground to check how bad it is and if the choke is tight...then actually check if Fitch is attempting to defend ..then if Fitch is limp..then actually touch Fitch to confirm ..and them pull Burkmam off. This could take one second to do but it MAY take another 5-10 seconds, it is POSSIBLE.

So because the ref was not positioned and prepared close to the submission it could of been 6-11 seconds of time with no blood to the brain which MAY of caused serious damage.

IN MMA we need to reduce the probability of a serious injury occuring, its not about certainty its about reducing the possibility of injury and Mazzagatti CLEARLY did not do this.

It is not complicated, the refereeing here was fcking scandalous! Phone Post 3.0
And lets look at maths, assume 90 percent of fighters would be fine for being out that amount if time and lets assume 90 percent of thr time Mazzagatti would of got down to stop it rapidly even though not close to the action.

Fine right...

No cos that means thats 1/10 chance x 1/10 chance which means its only 1/100 chance that someone could be fatally or seriously injured in that situation. That would be end of that persons life and the end of MMA.

We dont gamble with odds like that upto 10000-1 on things as serious as that if they can be AVOIDED! Phone Post 3.0

More like 1 million seconds...

lol @ 6 to 11 seconds.

What the fuck are you guys on?

Fitch got caught with a hard punch, Josh pounced on him, there was a scramble...oh jesus christ, just watch the fight in real time again and tell me how Mazz could have suddenly jumped on the other side of them.

Again, he was definitely laid back after Josh let go of the guillotine, but even if he was on the right side, he wouldn't have been able to react faster than Josh let go of it.
6/15/13 11:29 AM
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I guess Josh's bionic arm courtesy of the young assassin break is hitting harder than Brett Rogers hits his wife "allegedly" Phone Post 3.0
6/15/13 11:32 AM
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lurkingveteran - People are getting distracted by the fact Mazagatti couldnt of stopped it faster than the 1.5 seconds it took before Burkman lets go, THIS IS NOT THE POINT!

Assume Burkman like 95pc of fighters doesnt let go until the ref stops it. Mazzagatti is not even considering the possibility that Fitch could be in trouble let alone out when he is in fact UNCONSCIOUS.

Then we have potentially the time to get down on the ground to check how bad it is and if the choke is tight...then actually check if Fitch is attempting to defend ..then if Fitch is limp..then actually touch Fitch to confirm ..and them pull Burkmam off. This could take one second to do but it MAY take another 5-10 seconds, it is POSSIBLE.

So because the ref was not positioned and prepared close to the submission it could of been 6-11 seconds of time with no blood to the brain which MAY of caused serious damage.

IN MMA we need to reduce the probability of a serious injury occuring, its not about certainty its about reducing the possibility of injury and Mazzagatti CLEARLY did not do this.

It is not complicated, the refereeing here was fcking scandalous! Phone Post 3.0
And lets look at maths, assume 90 percent of fighters would be fine for being out that amount if time and lets assume 90 percent of thr time Mazzagatti would of got down to stop it rapidly even though not close to the action.

Fine right...

No cos that means thats 1/10 chance x 1/10 chance which means its only 1/100 chance that someone could be fatally or seriously injured in that situation. That would be end of that persons life and the end of MMA.

We dont gamble with odds like that upto 10000-1 on things as serious as that if they can be AVOIDED! Phone Post 3.0

More like 1 million seconds...

lol @ 6 to 11 seconds.

What the fuck are you guys on?

Fitch got caught with a hard punch, Josh pounced on him, there was a scramble...oh jesus christ, just watch the fight in real time again and tell me how Mazz could have suddenly jumped on the other side of them.

Again, he was definitely laid back after Josh let go of the guillotine, but even if he was on the right side, he wouldn't have been able to react faster than Josh let go of it.
Ok Maz whatever you say. Phone Post 3.0

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6/15/13 11:50 AM
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Here's the video for the folks who think the gif is making Mazz look bad. Doesn't appear so to me.

6/15/13 11:54 AM
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ESPN just said that Maz is holding a press conference tonight.
Rumor is that he is going to call a stop to the fight.

Cecil Peoples scored this thread: Maz - 30, DFW - 27 Phone Post 3.0
6/15/13 11:57 AM
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6/15/13 11:58 AM
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BKViper - ESPN just said that Maz is holding a press conference tonight.
Rumor is that he is going to call a stop to the fight.

Cecil Peoples scored this thread: Maz - 30, DFW - 27 Phone Post 3.0
Lmao Phone Post
6/15/13 12:02 PM
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that is such a bad ass photo.
6/15/13 12:03 PM
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Burkman needs another ufc shot he has lost once to a current UFC fighter since his release


Get that man a new contract Dana! Phone Post 3.0
6/15/13 12:54 PM
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Mazz lost all power to do good when he shaved that mean stache he was RAGING.

needs to grow his Burt Reynolds style mustachio back pronto.

Maybe it will help him in the long run.

Don't doubt the power of the stache... Phone Post
6/15/13 1:05 PM
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yup, out cold bay-bee

6/15/13 1:13 PM
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I think it was a borderline call. You see Fitch's knee go down and then Burkman immediately releases him. When was Mazagatti supposed to step in, BEFORE Fitch was out?

Josh Burkman is just a pro, that's all that's to it. I don't think Mazagatti deserves the criticism for this one. Otherwise you better be prepared to criticize a lot of refs involved with walk-off KO's. Phone Post 3.0
6/15/13 1:18 PM
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caposa - I think it was a borderline call. You see Fitch's knee go down and then Burkman immediately releases him. When was Mazagatti supposed to step in, BEFORE Fitch was out?

Josh Burkman is just a pro, that's all that's to it. I don't think Mazagatti deserves the criticism for this one. Otherwise you better be prepared to criticize a lot of refs involved with walk-off KO's. Phone Post 3.0

Agreed, I think this is more indicative of Josh's professionalism - both regarding his skill and his respect for his opponent – than overwhelming fail by Mazagatti. Had he held it for five more seconds while yelling at Maz to stop it then yes that would have been bad. Burkman's just a pro
6/15/13 1:36 PM
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Joshua King - Yeah that was class unlike what bones did to machida Phone Post 3.0
Good fucking post Phone Post 3.0
6/15/13 1:39 PM
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Kerouac - So yeh, not sure what the fuck you guys are outraged about.
Really? How about the fact that Mazagatti was stood on the wrong side about 6 foot from the action.

Him being stood there meant he never did or never would have seen Fitch go limp. Phone Post 3.0

Maybes are hard to go on, but I get your point. He seemed laissez-faireish.

Still though, Josh let go, Fitch was out, fight over...no damage.

Think about all the one hit knockouts that are followed up with at least one punch...should all the refs that don't swandive between both fighters be scrutinized the same way?

Quite a few wagoners here.
Yeah, burkman did let go, I think people's point is, what if it was a killer like, I dunno frank mir?

He aint letting go until the ref drags him off.

Fitch was lucky it was burkman. Phone Post
THIS right here ^^^^^

and the people flapping "what is so wrong?"

...you are what's wrong. Idiots Phone Post
6/15/13 1:41 PM
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dfw jr - I don't dislike Fitch at all Phone Post
Win or lose this was most definitely an "oh shit moment"

Sucks to see good guys lose when they are down however it is a fight and someone has to...

Hopefully Fitch can get it back together. Phone Post 3.0
6/15/13 1:53 PM
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Great photo.

6/15/13 1:56 PM
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mazzagatti knew immediately that hed screwed up
6/15/13 2:09 PM
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6/15/13 2:19 PM
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Ya can't really blame Mazazagatti for this one. Burkman felt Fitch go limp and released him right away.

Respect to Josh for that.

I love it when guy's know a fighter is KO'd or choked out then stop fighting without the ref having to intervene.
6/15/13 2:22 PM
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Should've had the guy with the long mustache. He could've tickled Fitches ear with it to confirm if he was out.

6/15/13 2:25 PM
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that's so bad ass... just as street as a mark hunt walk away KO.
6/15/13 2:41 PM
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caposa - I think it was a borderline call. You see Fitch's knee go down and then Burkman immediately releases him. When was Mazagatti supposed to step in, BEFORE Fitch was out?

Josh Burkman is just a pro, that's all that's to it. I don't think Mazagatti deserves the criticism for this one. Otherwise you better be prepared to criticize a lot of refs involved with walk-off KO's. Phone Post 3.0

But had he not let go when was Mazz gonna do something? Cause he was just standing there doing nothing even when Josh let go Mazz was like oh shit, he is out.

WHich means had Josh not let go Mazz probably lets him choke him out more for another 5 to who knows how many more seconds.

Soon as the guy gets put in the choke shouldnt the ref be right there in position to see a tap or him go out? He just stood in the corner like they were wrestling instead of a sub being applied.

6/15/13 2:52 PM
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Mazz shoulda been looking closer that was a deeeeep choke. Phone Post

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