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9/5/13 1:57 PM
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Bobby Lupo
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For some reason, MMA fans (especially Zuffa haters) have this notion of Fedor as some kind of massive puncher who could one shot anyone. The truth is: he has 3 one shot KO's in over 30 fights. He flatlined Arlovski, Brett Rogers, and we'll give him credit for the Ishii KO. But apart from that, he wasn't much of a puncher.

Take Herring and Nog for example. Fedor teed off on both men for 10 minutes like they were heavybags and neither guy was close to going out.

Watch the Bigfoot fight again. Fedor clips him on the button a bunch of times in the opening 3 minutes, and Silva wasn't phased, and no one ever accused Silva of being Mark Hunt in the chin department.

He was relentless, he was the first truly great mixed martial artist, the greatest the sport has ever seen, but he wasn't a lights out puncher like too many fans who only saw him on CBS believe.
9/5/13 2:11 PM
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What's funny is the same people who insist he's one of the hardest punchers at HW also refuse to grant that he was a wild and/or sloppy puncher. So basically their view is that he's a monster puncher who is ALSO very accurate and ALSO lands a million punches per fight -- but for some reason just never KO'd anyone until his last couple years when he was "past his prime".
9/5/13 2:12 PM
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I always thought of him as a speed puncher, sorta like Vitor. Im not sure people view him as a shane carwin esque knockout puncher
9/5/13 2:15 PM
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it's not like herring or nog are easy guys to put out...
9/5/13 2:15 PM
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Sylvia said Fedor hit the hardest of anyone he'd ever been matched with, that's worth mentioning.
9/5/13 2:20 PM
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He always seemed to physically hurt guys with his punches more than he separated them from consciousness. It was weird. No heavyweight enjoys the strikes of another heavyweight, but Fedor's punches just looked like they felt.... Different. As in super painful.
Especially compared to a guy like Carwin who could look like he doesn't have a whole lot behind a punch, and still knock a man and his entire extended family into a deep, brain-numbing slumber. Phone Post 3.0
9/5/13 2:25 PM
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It's amazing to me that this guy doesn't even fight anymore and he still gets a ton of hate. Phone Post 3.0
9/5/13 2:26 PM
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What's a Fedor thread without a weak ass troll by Orcus I ask you UG?

Maybe Bobby but he hurt guys enough to let him finish them via sub in some cases too. The man only has on 8 decisions out of 34 wins. So WTF is the dif?
9/5/13 2:28 PM
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Hits about as hard as Cain Velasquez imo Phone Post
9/5/13 2:30 PM
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Mattapooh - Sylvia said Fedor hit the hardest of anyone he'd ever been matched with, that's worth mentioning.
they only fought for like 40 secs tho Phone Post
9/5/13 2:30 PM
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Bobby, you're going out of your way to talk shit on the best mma fighter in history? Alrighty dude. Can't back you on this.

9/5/13 2:31 PM
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive - Hits about as hard as Cain Velasquez imo Phone Post
I think cain hits harder he just doesn't swing like fedor did cain uses his speed to generate power Phone Post
9/5/13 2:33 PM
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GriffinQ - He always seemed to physically hurt guys with his punches more than he separated them from consciousness. It was weird. No heavyweight enjoys the strikes of another heavyweight, but Fedor's punches just looked like they felt.... Different. As in super painful.
Especially compared to a guy like Carwin who could look like he doesn't have a whole lot behind a punch, and still knock a man and his entire extended family into a deep, brain-numbing slumber. Phone Post 3.0

Good point, there are punchers whose shots don't look like much like Carwin, Teixeira on Bader last night, etc.

Then there are guys whose punches look absolutely terrifying like Fedor and Igor Vovchanchyn.

Seems to be a speed vs. torque phenomenon.
9/5/13 2:36 PM
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THERE WAS A GLITCH IN THE MATRiX
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gokudamus stole my name iv - What's funny is the same people who insist he's one of the hardest punchers at HW also refuse to grant that he was a wild and/or sloppy puncher. So basically their view is that he's a monster puncher who is ALSO very accurate and ALSO lands a million punches per fight -- but for some reason just never KO'd anyone until his last couple years when he was "past his prime".

3rd post in eh orcus. dam you just sit and wait for any fedor thread to come up to get that bashing in. I have absolutely no doubt now Fedor finger banged your girl or something.
9/5/13 2:36 PM
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Speed generates power, Fedor didn't start sitting down on his punches until he slowed down later in his career...His strikes were to overwhelm you and set up his take downs in his prime. Watch the Nog fights.

9/5/13 2:59 PM
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I like Fedor a lot but it is true. He was a swarmer, like Vitor, not necessarily a KO puncher, although he could KO people.

Fedor's strength was his physical attributes, speed, strength, just the right size, cat like reflexes, feel for his opponents. Striking technique was never his strong attribute.
9/5/13 3:36 PM
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Fuck that. Fedors shot against Rogers would have knocked out a fucking grizzly bear. Fedor didn't always have to constantly bombs because he was so well-rounded Phone Post 3.0
9/5/13 4:05 PM
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Bobby Lupo
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Bobby, you're going out of your way to talk shit on the best mma fighter in history? Alrighty dude. Can't back you on this.


He's my all time favorite and the greatest ever, there's no need to bend the truth to make him out to be something he wasn't. He was good enough as is.

Fedor's boxing was brilliant when it was used primarily to close the distance and if that didn't work: to land a wild hook. He was a GNP/Sub fighter who used a tornado of punches to grab a hold of his opponent and take him down and do his real work.

The Fedor that came to the US was a straight up Stand and Wanger. He forgot about the entire grappling aspect of MMA once he landed that crazy bomb on Rogers.

While his boxing was great for setting up clinches or causing his opponent to back up, it wasn't enough on it's own, and that's evidenced by his lack of success fighting in the USA.

I don't even think his speed eroded that much. I think his physical strength went into steep decline, he wasn't training as hard and he neglected to keep up with advanced grappling (trying to get Vinny M to coach for free WTF)

He was pretty quick in the Hendo and Bigfoot fights, but both guys manhanded him and pushed him around. The narrative that Bigfoot's size led to Fedor fighting from distance is a false one. He threw and landed the same crazy punches, but Bigfoot shrugged them off and countered instead of freezing or retreating. The lack of impact on his punches is what gave Bigfoot confidence.

Post Strikeforce Fedor looked to be even quicker than the bootleg version we got in the US, and he looked sharper than ever in those fights.

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