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10/10/13 10:56 AM
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Zed Wayne Zed - Totally the ref's fault.

Why should Harris lose the bonus, when you are told over and over again to not loosen a hold until the ref touches you.

Fucking Mario Yamasaki almost gave Kim a shoulder injury by awkwardly pushing him off of Silva, luckily he was okay.

I hate seeing people's limbs getting wrecked, but Pierce talked a ton of trash and got caught in a leglock by the worst possible person. Too bad.

Amen.
So neither of you watched the fight I see. Has to be the case, otherwise you would have seen the ref literally jump on top of them while screaming at Palhares, and him continue to hold the sub after this. Phone Post 3.0

He jumped to Pierce's leg first, instead of going straight to PaulHarris to get his attention. 

 

Trying to yell over that crowd is pointless. They were going fucking BONKERS. The Ref should know that the fastest way to get a fighter to release a sub is to get THAT fighters attention, not to try and pry the opponents leg out. 

10/10/13 10:56 AM
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Synado - As soon as he saw the ref he let go. People just want to hate this guy.

You meed to see it from the other angle. The ref had to push him off.

Guy needs to be punished for that shit.
10/10/13 11:00 AM
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That's bullshit because the ref didnt even pull palhares off.  The ref didnt signal the end of the fight to palhares... If you rewatch it the ref only grabs mike pierce (and mikes leg).

Palhares had no way of knowing the fight was over.  You dont stop to taps... you dont stop until the ref pulls you off or motions you off.

No I've been a victim of the "I didn't tap thing" but that was held way to long after the ref clearly was there... I've defend Paul Harris in the past but that I can't Phone Post 3.0

Jay you have to take the crowd noise, and where the ref went into consideration. The Ref jumped on Pierce, trying to get his knee/leg out while the crowd was going NUTS. You cannot hear shit in Brazil when the crowd is freaking out like that. He SHOULD have gone straight to PaulHarris' arms and got his attention FIRST. 

 

If you watch the GIF PH is turned away and almost has his eyes closed trying to crank. As soon as he sees the Ref he lets go within a moment. 

 

Minor flaw in the Ref's procedure. 

10/10/13 11:01 AM
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Synado - As soon as he saw the ref he let go. People just want to hate this guy.
Lol that's bullshit.

the ref jumped on top of them to pry Toqhuino off Pierce, and Pierce was tapping so hard that he smacked the refs back like "GET HIM THE FUCK OFF OF ME!!!!"

it's disgusting. 2 seconds too long can destroy a career.

Ever heard of "tap or snap"? Paul Harris hasn't. Phone Post 3.0
10/10/13 11:02 AM
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BobSherob - How the fuck is he a welterweight? Phone Post 3.0

I say! He sure looks HUGE for a "170" pounder. I wonder how he weighted at fight time.

Damn he's good at getting the leg. As anyone been better than him in leglocks in MMA?

I missed the fight and came just as his arm was raised in victory. Looking at the first gif in this thread, it seemed to me only his past behavior made so many people riled up. But with the second gif and a better angle, total dick move, without a doubt!

10/10/13 11:02 AM
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During his UFC fights, how many knees has he actually "destroyed" and how many careers has he actually ended?
10/10/13 11:05 AM
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Here is the other one everyone was up in arms about, but you will notice the same exact thing:

 

PaulHarris holds the leg until the REF makes it clear the fight is over, not the fighter tapping.....which is EXACTLY what they are instructed to do.

10/10/13 11:06 AM
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The Sultan -  The gif probably doesn't do it any justice. I was expecting a torn Phone Post

I saw it from the other angle and you can see the ref trying to get him to stop.
10/10/13 11:07 AM
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It was to long IMHO...& Call me a pussy if you will, but I always have let go or stopped when I SEE the other person tap! IWaiting for the Ref can end someones career just as easily. If they want to "fake" or "Ghost" tap and keep fighting after that and claim no tap, that is on them. Karma is a bitch.
10/10/13 11:08 AM
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BobSherob - How the fuck is he a welterweight? Phone Post 3.0

I say! He sure looks HUGE for a "170" pounder. I wonder how he weighted at fight time.

Damn he's good at getting the leg. As anyone been better than him in leglocks in MMA?

I missed the fight and came just as his arm was raised in victory. Looking at the first gif in this thread, it seemed to me only his past behavior made so many people riled up. But with the second gif and a better angle, total dick move, without a doubt!


There's Imanari. He might or might not be more technical, but he doesn't have the gorilla grip that Palhares has. He is however a lot classier from what I've seen.
10/10/13 11:08 AM
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Here is the other one everyone was up in arms about, but you will notice the same exact thing:

 

PaulHarris holds the leg until the REF makes it clear the fight is over, not the fighter tapping.....which is EXACTLY what they are instructed to do.


Lol that was is not as bad and he still holds on after the ref touches him at least a couple of seconds. Guy is a dirty fighter.
10/10/13 11:09 AM
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Let the GIF load and watch it in real time. His eyes are practically closed and he is looking down and away. The Ref dives at Pierce instead of PaulHarris' arms like he should have. There is also no way to expect PH to have heard the Ref over that crazy crowd. 

 

10/10/13 11:11 AM
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Here is the other one everyone was up in arms about, but you will notice the same exact thing:

 

PaulHarris holds the leg until the REF makes it clear the fight is over, not the fighter tapping.....which is EXACTLY what they are instructed to do.


Lol that was is not as bad and he still holds on after the ref touches him at least a couple of seconds. Guy is a dirty fighter.

I think you need to use an actual stopwatch or rethink your definition of "a couple seconds". It was less than one full second from the moment the Ref touches him. 

10/10/13 11:11 AM
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Has anyone been severely injured ?? He is a professional and is holding the move has anyone actually been injured is my question ? Didn't Rhonda break arms and shit, didn't Mir break a arm?? He is a dick I get it but he has not broken a arm from what I know or caused extensive damage. Also he had built a reputation to be feared in the ring, if pierce has lasting damage he should be fined more and maybe suspended and if he does it again cut. Phone Post 3.0
10/10/13 11:12 AM
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SomeoneToDoYourDirtyWork - It was to long IMHO...& Call me a pussy if you will, but I always have let go or stopped when I SEE the other person tap! IWaiting for the Ref can end someones career just as easily. If they want to "fake" or "Ghost" tap and keep fighting after that and claim no tap, that is on them. Karma is a bitch.

Easy to say about the ghost tap when it doesn't cost you THOUSANDS of dollars to potentially lose a fight to a fake tapper. 

10/10/13 11:13 AM
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Elhoffo - Has anyone been severely injured ?? He is a professional and is holding the move has anyone actually been injured is my question ? Didn't Rhonda break arms and shit, didn't Mir break a arm?? He is a dick I get it but he has not broken a arm from what I know or caused extensive damage. Also he had built a reputation to be feared in the ring, if pierce has lasting damage he should be fined more and maybe suspended and if he does it again cut. Phone Post 3.0

A mod posted that Mike's wife said his ankle is strained but it shouldn't be anything major. 

10/10/13 11:17 AM
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Zed Wayne Zed - Totally the ref's fault.

Why should Harris lose the bonus, when you are told over and over again to not loosen a hold until the ref touches you.

Fucking Mario Yamasaki almost gave Kim a shoulder injury by awkwardly pushing him off of Silva, luckily he was okay.

I hate seeing people's limbs getting wrecked, but Pierce talked a ton of trash and got caught in a leglock by the worst possible person. Too bad.

Amen.
So neither of you watched the fight I see. Has to be the case, otherwise you would have seen the ref literally jump on top of them while screaming at Palhares, and him continue to hold the sub after this. Phone Post 3.0

Ref jumped on Pierce, barely touching Palhares who was focused on cranking, while 30,000 people were screaming were drowning out any verbal cues from the ref.
Oh, you didn't watch it. If you did you would have seen that the ref was on Palhares also. And nice try about using screaming fans as an excuse to not hear a grown man screaming 24 inches from your face. Phone Post 3.0
10/10/13 11:18 AM
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SomeoneToDoYourDirtyWork - It was to long IMHO...& Call me a pussy if you will, but I always have let go or stopped when I SEE the other person tap! IWaiting for the Ref can end someones career just as easily. If they want to "fake" or "Ghost" tap and keep fighting after that and claim no tap, that is on them. Karma is a bitch.

Easy to say about the ghost tap when it doesn't cost you THOUSANDS of dollars to potentially lose a fight to a fake tapper. 


This statement is very true.
10/10/13 11:18 AM
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Here is the other one everyone was up in arms about, but you will notice the same exact thing:

 

PaulHarris holds the leg until the REF makes it clear the fight is over, not the fighter tapping.....which is EXACTLY what they are instructed to do.


Lol that was is not as bad and he still holds on after the ref touches him at least a couple of seconds. Guy is a dirty fighter.

I think you need to use an actual stopwatch or rethink your definition of "a couple seconds". It was less than one full second from the moment the Ref touches him. 

How about from the time the ref is screaming at him to stop? Phone Post 3.0
10/10/13 11:18 AM
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he should be banned from all competition. He does this every time in MMA and in BJJ.
10/10/13 11:21 AM
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Yeeeeesh that looks like it hurt Phone Post
10/10/13 11:25 AM
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Aaron Becker - do people actually think he's retarded? Do people think he's Forest Gump like?

Forrest Stump IMO

10/10/13 11:25 AM
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AssAssassin - I like we are how very concerned about peoples legs and knees and not their brains. I guess I just think one is more important than the other.

If you can smash a guy in the face while he is out cold until the ref stops you, you can tear a submission until the ref stops you. This controversy exists only because of his past, that being said, the only issue is whether the ref did his job and did Paul Harris respond appropriately. I think the blame is to be shared a bit in this case.

Stop the bullshit strawman argument!

This isn't about Palhares holding a sub until he's stopped by the ref,
it's about him cranking the sub after he's clearly felt another man jump on top of him and Pierce -- AFTER he's heard Pierce scream verbal submissions while tapping furiously...

Even fucking Simple Jack could put two and two together at that point, and realize not to go for another crank.


And if this was an isolated case... well fine, I could see him getting leeway, but everyone is wise to his whacky shenanigans now and realize how DTF he is with career-ending ligament damage
10/10/13 11:26 AM
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Zed Wayne Zed - Totally the ref's fault.

Why should Harris lose the bonus, when you are told over and over again to not loosen a hold until the ref touches you.

Fucking Mario Yamasaki almost gave Kim a shoulder injury by awkwardly pushing him off of Silva, luckily he was okay.

I hate seeing people's limbs getting wrecked, but Pierce talked a ton of trash and got caught in a leglock by the worst possible person. Too bad.

Amen.
So neither of you watched the fight I see. Has to be the case, otherwise you would have seen the ref literally jump on top of them while screaming at Palhares, and him continue to hold the sub after this. Phone Post 3.0

Ref jumped on Pierce, barely touching Palhares who was focused on cranking, while 30,000 people were screaming were drowning out any verbal cues from the ref.
Oh, you didn't watch it. If you did you would have seen that the ref was on Palhares also. And nice try about using screaming fans as an excuse to not hear a grown man screaming 24 inches from your face. Phone Post 3.0

Oh, you clearly have never heard the Brazil crowd first hand. If you did you would know that you cannot hear SHIT. And nice try about pretending the Ref jumped on PH also. Watch the GIF in real time. The Ref jumps on Pierce and tries to get his leg out, which is a minor mistake that cost valuable time. As soon as the Ref gets PHs attention, he stops:

10/10/13 11:27 AM
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Full speed no clock, I can count two second, when the ref's head hit's hios legs, he's holding it two seconds longer.

 

Enough trolling


You can see the first crank
and the tapout during the fall

Then the 2nd crank, and the 2nd tapout (when the guy is already down)


and then in the third instance one final slap, and one final crank



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