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4/11/14 2:03 PM
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ErikMagraken
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The TUF Nations Finale on April 16, 2014 will legally be governed by Quebec’s Regulation Regarding Combat Sports . These call for some significant variations from the Unified Rules. These include the following peculiarities: 

The Definition: 195.1.

“mixed boxing” means a combat sport during which contestants of the same sex fight standing or on the mat; when they fight standing, the contestants use kickboxing techniques unless modified in this Chapter; when they fight on the mat, the only permitted submission techniques are those described in this Chapter. The

Knockdown Rule:

195.9. Where a contestant has been knocked down, the referee shall instruct the opponent to retire to the farthest corner, which the referee shall indicate by pointing. The referee may stop the bout and declare the opponent the winner when a contestant is no longer able to defend himself adequately.

No Strikes to the Knee: 195.13. Where a contestant receives a blow to the genitals or to the knee, the referee may interrupt the bout and allow up to 5 minutes for recovery. If the contestant does not continue the bout after that delay, the referee shall: (1) following a blow to the genitals, indicate that the contestant has lost by abandonment; (2) following a blow to the knee, disqualify his opponent.

The Judging Criteria: 195.18. The judge shall base his decision on the effectiveness of the contestants, taking into account the following factors: (1) a blow struck to any vulnerable part of the body; (2) aggressiveness, as demonstrated by the contestant’s forcing the fight during the round by making the greater number of attacks; (3) conspicuous ring generalship, that is, skill in swiftly taking advantage of all opportunities offered, and the ability to cope with all situations as they arise, to foresee and neutralize the opponent’s attacks and to adopt a style with the opponent is not particularly comfortable; (4) defence by skillful evasions and parries; and (5) the ability for a contestant to take down an opponent on the mat.

No Knee or Elbow Strikes: 195.28. When the contestants are fighting, each of the following acts constitutes a foul: (12) hitting an opponent with the bent knee or bent elbow;

No Standing Chokes or Submissions: 195.28. When the contestants are fighting, each of the following acts constitutes a foul: (20) grabbing an opponent by the throat.

195.30. Where opponents are fighting on the mat, arm or leg holds as well as strangulation are permitted.

Appreciateing the above, the question is will the Quebec Athletic Commission follow their own rules or will they turn a blind eye to the laws of their Province for the UFC?

4/11/14 2:39 PM
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I'm so sick of this province.
4/11/14 2:48 PM
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Glovegate - I'm so sick of this province.

Its such a shame that, instead of updating the law, they simply turn a blind eye to their own rules.  The habit of turning a blind eye to the law is a dangerous practice.

4/11/14 2:51 PM
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The most recent election proves people are sick of Quebec trying to act like they know something everyone else doesn't.

4/11/14 3:01 PM
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^Yup.

PQ got BTFO, Marois lost her seat and retired before her party could toss her aside and the 2 hypocritical "student leaders" got kicked to the curb, without pensions, to find real jobs.

Best election ever.
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Glovegate - ^Yup.

PQ got BTFO, Marois lost her seat and retired before her party could toss her aside and the 2 hypocritical "student leaders" got kicked to the curb, without pensions, to find real jobs.

Best election ever.

 

yep high fuckin five

 

you know it's bad when the party that was thrown out in anger over legendary corruption gets voted into a stunning majority the very next election.

 

4/11/14 4:42 PM
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4/11/14 4:52 PM
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ChaosOverkill - 
Glovegate - ^Yup.

PQ got BTFO, Marois lost her seat and retired before her party could toss her aside and the 2 hypocritical "student leaders" got kicked to the curb, without pensions, to find real jobs.

Best election ever.

 

yep high fuckin five

 

you know it's bad when the party that was thrown out in anger over legendary corruption gets voted into a stunning majority the very next election.

 


Oh Canadian politics. Such a clusterfuck. I hope Harper gets the boot before he gets us nuked by Russia.
4/14/14 12:27 AM
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John McCarthy was kind enough to weigh in on this.  He confirms Quebec officials are basically told to ignore their own rules.

I fully support the Province adopting the Unified Rules but to have written rules that are completelty different and then turn a blind eye to this is a complete joke.  Its amazing how much dysfnciton is present in the local regulation of the sport.

Here's his tweet:

Big John McCarthy ‏@JohnMcCarthyMMA Apr 12 @erikmagraken I have never worked there, but I do know that officials working MMA shows in Quebec go by the Unified Rules, not Quebec's

 

4/14/14 12:32 AM
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4/14/14 12:44 AM
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John's wife promoted an event in Quebec under the"Let's Get It On! MMA banner.

And if I'm not mistaken, the only odd rule Racj enforces is no foot stomps.

Everything else is nearly identical. *In best Mike Goldberg voice* Phone Post
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I believe Elaine tried to promote a show in Montreal--but could not get approval to use the required Octagon enclosure. . .

http://www.cagepotato.com/lets-get-it-mma-cancels-quebec-half-canadian-tournament-due-commission-dithering-over-shape-cage/

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Macedawgg - 

I believe Elaine tried to promote a show in Montreal--but could not get approval to use the required Octagon enclosure. . .

http://www.cagepotato.com/lets-get-it-mma-cancels-quebec-half-canadian-tournament-due-commission-dithering-over-shape-cage/


Thanks Macedwaggg.  That article gives a useful history lesson and good example of why States/Provinces should not madate the use of a trademark protected enclosure

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/08/15/octagon%E2%84%A2-the-shapely-trademark-of-ultimate-fighting-championship/

I love the comment of the Quebec AC followng their rules to a "T".  Let's put that to the test with the TUF Nations Finale.  I suspect we will see knees, elbows, knockdows without breaks in action and many ofther violations of Quebec's 'official' MMA rules.

4/14/14 5:03 AM
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The Quebec Commission does, in practice, have leeway to grant exceptions on their ruleset, and they've always done this for the UFC in Montreal. I don't see why a UFC show in Quebec City will be any different.

4/14/14 5:36 AM
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Chromium - 

The Quebec Commission does, in practice, have leeway to grant exceptions on their ruleset, and they've always done this for the UFC in Montreal. I don't see why a UFC show in Quebec City will be any different.

Why does this commission pick and choose whom to grant "leeway" for exceptions to the ruleset? 

Why did this jurisdction legislate rules that were written in specifically for just one promotion?

 

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Macedawgg -

I believe Elaine tried to promote a show in Montreal--but could not get approval to use the required Octagon enclosure. . .

http://www.cagepotato.com/lets-get-it-mma-cancels-quebec-half-canadian-tournament-due-commission-dithering-over-shape-cage/

Ha. I think I wrote that article. Forgot they cancelled that one. Phone Post

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