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8/8/14 7:53 AM
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"It's actually an interesting story. I started with wrestling. First, I had to know if the jiujitsu worked. So I fought Alliance and got my ass kicked. Then I trained with Alliance, and eventually working as an apprentice instructor. This was between 2002 and 2006. During that time period I fought under their banner, grappled under their banner and helped them with their cross training, as I was studying muay thai at the time as well.

We also operated a fight club/investigations agency out of alliance head quarters, eventually defeating an alliance of Chinese society members. Guy from the Masons, guy from Temple, those guys. It was kinda cool. That was in 07. I moved into the academy in 2008. Took a room in the back and lived on the mats. I woke up in the morning, taught morning class, cleaned the mats for three hours a day, taught the kids classes, taught some adult classes, trained, etc."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but previously you said you moved into and lived at Moses' academy, not alliance headquarters.
8/8/14 8:35 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but previously you said you moved into and lived at Moses' academy, not alliance headquarters.


Alliance is not known as "the academy". I trained in both Atlanta and MD, settling in MD, before moving to Boston. Atlanta is where I picked up my leg locks.

There have been so many twists and turns in that guy's story that it all feels like bs at this point.


That's because it's actually real. You can attend class a couple of days a week, pal up with the instructor, do a couple of sport matches, pay your money, not ask any questions and get the dull, neutered martial arts experience that most of the posters are describing. If you open your eyes, start asking questions, take an active role in your environment, then you'll see an entirely new world. You've literally got guys on board talking about how much realer their arts is because they never pissed anyone off and stood next to people that did stuff. What?
8/8/14 9:38 AM
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OK, with this 'fighting the triads' stuff, I now believe we have all taken the bait.

Congrats sir, you have broke my 15 year streak of never getting trolled on the internet.
8/8/14 10:02 AM
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"We also operated a fight club/investigations agency out of alliance head quarters, eventually defeating an alliance of Chinese society members. Guy from the Masons, guy from Temple, those guys. It was kinda cool."

What year was it that you participated in the Kumite and beat Chong Li???

8/8/14 10:48 AM
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man i cant believe i read through all this haha but i just watched the video. the black belt Jordan faced is legit i know him he is a great guy and is very knowledgeable and a good competitor both in bjj and mma. if that counts for anything which im sure it doesnt in this case haha. i have seen Jordan at a few events and he seems to tare through divisons pretty steadily knows his game and what he needs to do i actually enjoyed watching him compete. just an observation take it for what its worth i suppose.
8/8/14 12:05 PM
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Fuck here is my Opinion on the subject.

Dont say anything here that you would not be comfortable saying in front of or to the person in question.
8/8/14 12:42 PM
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Heres my opinion:

I want to hear stories of fighting masons and triads Phone Post 3.0
8/8/14 1:29 PM
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I take back everything I've said about Osyris/Jordan. It's clear at this point he has some issues and all of this is just feeding it. I hope he can get some help and put this stuff behind him at some point.
8/8/14 1:47 PM
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checkuroil - Heres my opinion:

I want to hear stories of fighting masons and triads Phone Post 3.0

I'm guessing that's in reference to the whole JFS USA thing on Bullshido about seven years ago. E.g.:

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bullshido.net%2F%20jfs%20osiris
8/8/14 1:58 PM
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I would like to see this addressed as well


BTT signed off.

You pulled worse then a white belt, you defended like a white belt, got mounted like a white belt.


If you can show me a single frame from that video where I'm in mount, I'll take off my black belt and wear that white belt.
BTT is a blackbelt? Phone Post 3.0
BTT is a Blackbelt?

My man, you say btt signed off on your promotion guaranteed by a new(er) black belt who is not able to promote to black belt.

This begs the question... who is BTT to sign off on this? An organization is not a black belt. Phone Post 3.0
8/8/14 2:44 PM
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Agreed Shen - on that note...

I am with you on this. Done feeding the troll. Phone Post 3.0
8/8/14 4:13 PM
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My question...

Is EVERYONE ever affiliated with lloyd Irvin completely out of their mind --or is it only like 50% of them who are nuts, but it just seems much higher?

Someone explain this to me; how are there SO many crazy people from one school? It's one after another after another.

 

 

 

 


Lloyd has filled the father figure role for a lot of his students. Its hard for people to break free of that. But he has a lot of good guys who train there who are focused in on training and becoming the best. I'd say all those wrestlers training at Duponts place were essentially in the same situation. Free training, free lodging, free good, free travel, and free entry fees to tournaments in a sport where there is no money. Seems like a fairly rational sacrifice for some. They keep their head down, stay out of the drama, and just focus on being the best.
8/8/14 4:47 PM
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My question...

Is EVERYONE ever affiliated with lloyd Irvin completely out of their mind --or is it only like 50% of them who are nuts, but it just seems much higher?

Someone explain this to me; how are there SO many crazy people from one school? It's one after another after another.

 

 

 

 


Lloyd has filled the father figure role for a lot of his students. Its hard for people to break free of that. But he has a lot of good guys who train there who are focused in on training and becoming the best. I'd say all those wrestlers training at Duponts place were essentially in the same situation. Free training, free lodging, free good, free travel, and free entry fees to tournaments in a sport where there is no money. Seems like a fairly rational sacrifice for some. They keep their head down, stay out of the drama, and just focus on being the best.

Yes, but I don't recall a seemingly never ending string of ex-Dupont Wrestlers being involved in or publicly saying really crazy sh!it.

8/8/14 6:10 PM
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This has descended into anarchy!!! And there are more than a few suspect accounts posting on here Phone Post 3.0
8/8/14 6:52 PM
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Is Dupont that guy rogan was mentioning that had a movie made about him. Some gay dude who got wrestlers to train at his home gym
8/8/14 8:10 PM
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My question...

Is EVERYONE ever affiliated with lloyd Irvin completely out of their mind --or is it only like 50% of them who are nuts, but it just seems much higher?

Someone explain this to me; how are there SO many crazy people from one school? It's one after another after another.

 

 

 

 


Lloyd has filled the father figure role for a lot of his students. Its hard for people to break free of that. But he has a lot of good guys who train there who are focused in on training and becoming the best. I'd say all those wrestlers training at Duponts place were essentially in the same situation. Free training, free lodging, free good, free travel, and free entry fees to tournaments in a sport where there is no money. Seems like a fairly rational sacrifice for some. They keep their head down, stay out of the drama, and just focus on being the best.

Yes, but I don't recall a seemingly never ending string of ex-Dupont Wrestlers being involved in or publicly saying really crazy sh!it.


I was just trying to give you some reasons. Not justify what has been said or done. I personally dislike Lloyd because he treated the people paying the bills like second class citizens in my opinion and then elevated his guys who were paying nothing. I did know a couple of Lloyds guys; Mike Fowler, JT Torres, and even Mike Easton (I know, I know), and Danny all came of as cool people. Lloyd personally never did anything terrible to me, I just didn't care for his lower belt classes and customer service.
8/8/14 8:13 PM
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My question...

Is EVERYONE ever affiliated with lloyd Irvin completely out of their mind --or is it only like 50% of them who are nuts, but it just seems much higher?

Someone explain this to me; how are there SO many crazy people from one school? It's one after another after another.

 

 

 

 


Lloyd has filled the father figure role for a lot of his students. Its hard for people to break free of that. But he has a lot of good guys who train there who are focused in on training and becoming the best. I'd say all those wrestlers training at Duponts place were essentially in the same situation. Free training, free lodging, free good, free travel, and free entry fees to tournaments in a sport where there is no money. Seems like a fairly rational sacrifice for some. They keep their head down, stay out of the drama, and just focus on being the best.

Yes, but I don't recall a seemingly never ending string of ex-Dupont Wrestlers being involved in or publicly saying really crazy sh!it.


I think this is a poor analogy. DuPont was nothing but a bankroll who funded olympic wrestlers so he could hang out with olympic wresters, he himself was physically sad and couldn't out-wrestle a puppy. "His wrestlers" entertained him for the financial support, but he had nothing to do with their skill level or the aquisition of it.

LI, no matter how much it upsets people, is a very high level bjj artist and instructor and he made that team what it was.

Also, no matter how much hate you have for the guy, who most if not all of us have never even met, comparing him to a man who has an actual mental illness and murdered Dave Schultz because he was going to leave the estate and go coach at Stanford is so stupid it's offensive.


My point is you all believe people who trained with Lloyd knew what was going on. Like the wrestlers with Dupont, they chose to ignore it or were oblivious because they were too focused on getting better at their martial art. Its not a poor metaphor, you just choose to not want an explanation.
8/8/14 8:18 PM
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My question...

Is EVERYONE ever affiliated with lloyd Irvin completely out of their mind --or is it only like 50% of them who are nuts, but it just seems much higher?

Someone explain this to me; how are there SO many crazy people from one school? It's one after another after another.

 

 

 

 


Lloyd has filled the father figure role for a lot of his students. Its hard for people to break free of that. But he has a lot of good guys who train there who are focused in on training and becoming the best. I'd say all those wrestlers training at Duponts place were essentially in the same situation. Free training, free lodging, free good, free travel, and free entry fees to tournaments in a sport where there is no money. Seems like a fairly rational sacrifice for some. They keep their head down, stay out of the drama, and just focus on being the best.

Yes, but I don't recall a seemingly never ending string of ex-Dupont Wrestlers being involved in or publicly saying really crazy sh!it.


I think this is a poor analogy. DuPont was nothing but a bankroll who funded olympic wrestlers so he could hang out with olympic wresters, he himself was physically sad and couldn't out-wrestle a puppy. "His wrestlers" entertained him for the financial support, but he had nothing to do with their skill level or the aquisition of it.

LI, no matter how much it upsets people, is a very high level bjj artist and instructor and he made that team what it was.

Also, no matter how much hate you have for the guy, who most if not all of us have never even met, comparing him to a man who has an actual mental illness and murdered Dave Schultz because he was going to leave the estate and go coach at Stanford is so stupid it's offensive.


The claims made against Lloyd are that he had a history of doing unethical things or strange things. My intention was never to claim he was a murderer or on that level nor claim he did anything illegal. It was simply to say, that for those who can't understand why a people would still train with him. It was all about an opportunity for them to better themselves. Obviously he was offering something valuable to them and they may not have been aware of what was going on or it may not have been going on at all.
8/8/14 9:07 PM
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Lloyd has a million dollar lien against him from the IRS, and he participated in a gang rape...so he's done some of the illegal.
8/8/14 11:06 PM
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And he allegedly paid for the defense of Maldonado and Schulz Phone Post 3.0
8/9/14 2:24 AM
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There is more than one of them. Carlos is pretty much about the same as Lloyd. Carlos game works like this; He starts out by fucking with you. See any of the minor IBJJF rank drama/DQ threads NOT involving me. You'll find little hits against people. This is to get you used to it. One you get used to it and expect it, he gets you for ALL your shit.

Master Carlos Gracie Jr, benevolent leader of BJJ? Come on, that's just silly. You KNOW that's marketing. People are just more complex than that. This guy is simply a thief, though it should be stated that Barra's rape spree has been about as bad as the whole TLI incident.

It's a pyramid scheme and when you see it in action, its fairly transparent. It has nothing to do with jiujitsu. Look at the structure if this thing. It's another MLM with the same silly tricks and mind games Lloyd uses. In fact, some of it IS Lloyd, as he's obviously a partner in the company.
8/9/14 9:02 AM
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checkuroil - And he allegedly paid for the defense of Maldonado and Schulz Phone Post 3.0
That whole incident was disgusting and terrible, Having 3 daughters, I was filled with a fkn rage.
Reading that their defence was paid for by TLI shouldn't surprise me yet it does. Phone Post 3.0
8/9/14 10:53 AM
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Jordan - when you use 'MLM' and 'pyramid scheme' interchangeably, it makes people think you don't know what those words mean.
8/9/14 3:35 PM
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Most MLMs are pyramids with a product designed to hide the structure.
8/10/14 9:15 PM
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Jordan Tabor - Most MLMs are pyramids with a product designed to hide the structure.

Like I said, you don't know what those two phrases mean.

http://www.wikihow.com/Distinguish-Between-a-Pyramid-Scheme-and-Multi-Level-Marketing

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