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8/8/14 10:48 AM
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man i cant believe i read through all this haha but i just watched the video. the black belt Jordan faced is legit i know him he is a great guy and is very knowledgeable and a good competitor both in bjj and mma. if that counts for anything which im sure it doesnt in this case haha. i have seen Jordan at a few events and he seems to tare through divisons pretty steadily knows his game and what he needs to do i actually enjoyed watching him compete. just an observation take it for what its worth i suppose.
8/8/14 12:05 PM
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Fuck here is my Opinion on the subject.

Dont say anything here that you would not be comfortable saying in front of or to the person in question.
8/8/14 12:42 PM
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Heres my opinion:

I want to hear stories of fighting masons and triads Phone Post 3.0
8/8/14 1:29 PM
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I take back everything I've said about Osyris/Jordan. It's clear at this point he has some issues and all of this is just feeding it. I hope he can get some help and put this stuff behind him at some point.
8/8/14 1:47 PM
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checkuroil - Heres my opinion:

I want to hear stories of fighting masons and triads Phone Post 3.0

I'm guessing that's in reference to the whole JFS USA thing on Bullshido about seven years ago. E.g.:

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bullshido.net%2F%20jfs%20osiris
8/8/14 1:58 PM
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I would like to see this addressed as well


BTT signed off.

You pulled worse then a white belt, you defended like a white belt, got mounted like a white belt.


If you can show me a single frame from that video where I'm in mount, I'll take off my black belt and wear that white belt.
BTT is a blackbelt? Phone Post 3.0
BTT is a Blackbelt?

My man, you say btt signed off on your promotion guaranteed by a new(er) black belt who is not able to promote to black belt.

This begs the question... who is BTT to sign off on this? An organization is not a black belt. Phone Post 3.0
8/8/14 2:44 PM
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Agreed Shen - on that note...

I am with you on this. Done feeding the troll. Phone Post 3.0
8/8/14 4:47 PM
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My question...

Is EVERYONE ever affiliated with lloyd Irvin completely out of their mind --or is it only like 50% of them who are nuts, but it just seems much higher?

Someone explain this to me; how are there SO many crazy people from one school? It's one after another after another.

 

 

 

 


Lloyd has filled the father figure role for a lot of his students. Its hard for people to break free of that. But he has a lot of good guys who train there who are focused in on training and becoming the best. I'd say all those wrestlers training at Duponts place were essentially in the same situation. Free training, free lodging, free good, free travel, and free entry fees to tournaments in a sport where there is no money. Seems like a fairly rational sacrifice for some. They keep their head down, stay out of the drama, and just focus on being the best.

Yes, but I don't recall a seemingly never ending string of ex-Dupont Wrestlers being involved in or publicly saying really crazy sh!it.

8/8/14 6:10 PM
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This has descended into anarchy!!! And there are more than a few suspect accounts posting on here Phone Post 3.0
8/8/14 6:52 PM
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Is Dupont that guy rogan was mentioning that had a movie made about him. Some gay dude who got wrestlers to train at his home gym
8/8/14 9:07 PM
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Lloyd has a million dollar lien against him from the IRS, and he participated in a gang rape...so he's done some of the illegal.
8/8/14 11:06 PM
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And he allegedly paid for the defense of Maldonado and Schulz Phone Post 3.0
8/9/14 2:24 AM
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There is more than one of them. Carlos is pretty much about the same as Lloyd. Carlos game works like this; He starts out by fucking with you. See any of the minor IBJJF rank drama/DQ threads NOT involving me. You'll find little hits against people. This is to get you used to it. One you get used to it and expect it, he gets you for ALL your shit.

Master Carlos Gracie Jr, benevolent leader of BJJ? Come on, that's just silly. You KNOW that's marketing. People are just more complex than that. This guy is simply a thief, though it should be stated that Barra's rape spree has been about as bad as the whole TLI incident.

It's a pyramid scheme and when you see it in action, its fairly transparent. It has nothing to do with jiujitsu. Look at the structure if this thing. It's another MLM with the same silly tricks and mind games Lloyd uses. In fact, some of it IS Lloyd, as he's obviously a partner in the company.
8/9/14 9:02 AM
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checkuroil - And he allegedly paid for the defense of Maldonado and Schulz Phone Post 3.0
That whole incident was disgusting and terrible, Having 3 daughters, I was filled with a fkn rage.
Reading that their defence was paid for by TLI shouldn't surprise me yet it does. Phone Post 3.0
8/9/14 10:53 AM
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Jordan - when you use 'MLM' and 'pyramid scheme' interchangeably, it makes people think you don't know what those words mean.
8/9/14 3:35 PM
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Most MLMs are pyramids with a product designed to hide the structure.
8/10/14 9:15 PM
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Jordan Tabor - Most MLMs are pyramids with a product designed to hide the structure.

Like I said, you don't know what those two phrases mean.

http://www.wikihow.com/Distinguish-Between-a-Pyramid-Scheme-and-Multi-Level-Marketing
8/10/14 10:34 PM
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The two are NOT mutually exclusive, nor are MLMs always innocuous.
8/11/14 12:56 AM
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just because you can use MLM to market a pyramid scheme doesn't mean that the two phrases can be used interchangeably.

You're inability to admit when you're wrong is another character flaw.

Congratulations on your black belt in BJJ, I look forward to the day you receive the 3rd stripe on your white belt in adulthood.
8/11/14 1:13 AM
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I'm not using them interchangeably. This one has characteristics of both.

The overall structure and business model strikes me as an MLM. The flow of the money strikes me as a pyramid scheme hidden within the MLM which is in and of itself predatory. The fact that a lot of the key players in this company are avid MLM players, indicates to me that a lot of those same tactics are likely in play. MLM is basically the same hustle as a pyramid scheme, using an actual product.
8/11/14 6:26 PM
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The best part about reading this thread is that I recognized this guys name but couldn't remember from where so I looked him up. For some reason his Facebook page wouldn't load for me and then I remembered that I had blocked him. Can't remember why, but I find it funny none the less.
8/11/14 7:29 PM
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O and this dude isn't a black belt unless a black belt tied one around his waist or said "You are a black belt now".

The IBJJF is a bunch of scammers, but your story is thin. You don't have to register with the IBJJF to be a brazilian jiu jitsu black belt.
8/11/14 8:45 PM
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We got into a fight over the police.
8/11/14 8:47 PM
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"You are a black belt now".


Said. First by Vinny, then again by Mike. The docs presented for the tag state my rank clearly.

It's literally JUST a cash thing.
8/11/14 10:22 PM
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but Vinny had no authority to promote anyone to black belt...so no one really cares what he said.

Except you.

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