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4/19/07 1:00 PM
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"Yes, God created the perfect shark and stopped." You say it with sarcasm because you don't have any better response. Typical.
4/19/07 1:04 PM
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No, you really couldn't say that accurately. Why did sharks stop having random mutations? I never claimed that sharks stopped having random mutations. I'm sure that there have been zillions of sharks born over the millenia with mutations. Random mutations by themselves are not equivalent to evolution. The mutations/traits must be passed on. The point is that such random mutations were not sufficiently beneficial to be passed on. Perhaps a shark in the Indian Oceand will be born tomorrow with an IQ of 150.
4/19/07 1:07 PM
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"Well there we go you just justified my previous statement about you not understanding evolution." That's just your opinion. "Evolution isn't "random reactions", it's descent with modification by natural selection." That's right. They're guided by a higher intelligence. Glad we agree. "The descent with modification occurs due to mutations occuring in the organism. " ??? Can you rewrite that to be understandable?
4/19/07 1:09 PM
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Well, Rastus you seem to be arguing that there is a "hand" guiding evolution. We have strong scientific evidence supporting evolution. Currently, we have no evidence supporting a "guiding hand" or God. If you want to believe that God may be guiding evolution thats fine. Personally, I think it cab be a possibility, but I still dont equate my faith in God with equal standards to the rigorous scientific process that supports evolution. If you want to say they are equal, then you are a fool. If you want to see you have faith in God, and believe he/she/it is guiding evolution, that is fine. But DONT say they are on equal standards (as far as supporting evidence). It is a piss poor argument, and you know it.
4/19/07 1:09 PM
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"The point is that such random mutations were not sufficiently beneficial to be passed on."


But all of them were sufficiently detrimental to prevent reproduction?
4/19/07 1:09 PM
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"Perhaps a shark in the Indian Oceand will be born tomorrow with an IQ of 150." The fact they're not shows clearly that they're NOT random mutations. There's a design and a purpose.
4/19/07 1:10 PM
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TPK, You have MMA.TV mail
4/19/07 1:11 PM
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The environment guides evolution. Is the environment intelligent?
4/19/07 1:14 PM
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But all of them were sufficiently detrimental to prevent reproduction? That is not what I am saying. Of course, many (most?) mutations are detrimental and such baby sharks would die soon after being born. Other mutations may have been neither beneficial nor harmful but were not passed on for any one of a zillion reasons. Obviously, some mutations were passed on in light of the fact that sharks DID evolve over time, but just not to the same degree as other species.
4/19/07 1:14 PM
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lol at FAB still thinking at the high school-black and white level. You are out of your league son.
4/19/07 1:18 PM
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Yes, because there is no evidence of any species using tools before us! lol
4/19/07 1:19 PM
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Rastus is not trolling. He claims to have had an experience that he cannot explain by an appeal to natural phenomena. It's changed his whole worldview.
4/19/07 1:20 PM
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Rastus, what was the experience?
4/19/07 1:23 PM
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"Technology, there is no doubt, has allowed us to transform our environment in major ways." Yes, and? What is your point? Do you think that we can "escape" evolution or have bypassed it in some manner because of technology?
4/19/07 1:24 PM
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Rastus may indeed be in the Top 50 for Most Improved Trolling.
4/19/07 1:28 PM
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lol... You know, it's funny. Evolution is nothing but a clique for cliquish pointy-headed, snipey intellectuals who can't think for themselves. We can't discuss it on the merits. Rather, it's "he's trolling" or whatever. My experience should not be relevant for the verisimilitude of my point. I'm sorry if some of you have a personal beef with me, but I'm trying to stay on topic.
4/19/07 1:32 PM
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I don't think they've embarassed themselves so much as they've exposed themselves, thirdleg. It's the same old "random mutation" schtick trying to explain how, for instance, an angler fish has that little stick out of it's head with a worm at the end, wiggling it for a fish to show up. Now, come on guys... How in God's green earth could that slowly develop? It's impossible.
4/19/07 1:35 PM
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"But how is someone suppose to stay on a topic with an individual who knows very little about said topic?" There's your topic above, KneeUppercut. Explain that one with gradual evolution. That's something that could never develop gradually. It had to be created as such.
4/19/07 1:37 PM
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Im not biting you fucks. Good luck with Knee.
4/19/07 1:39 PM
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That's it, Hollywood-MO. You flee the battle the moment it gets tough (i.e. Impossible) to explain. You want evolution, you've got it. How could this fish evolve? It couldn't. Game, set, match. *puts his head on a stick* next?
4/19/07 1:42 PM
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Here's another one - a rattlesnake. Explain how a perfect rattle is going to slowly appear? And, even if the trillionth of a percent chance of it occurring, how's it going to be passed on to future generations? I could go on and on, but I think you "scientists" get the point.
4/19/07 1:42 PM
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"You just have to have faith in evolution, Rastus." Bingo, my friend. Let's see any of them admit it though.
4/19/07 1:44 PM
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Fine, Wigga. Explain rattlesnakes and angler fish. Don't dissemble into the minutia of expired topics.
4/19/07 1:45 PM
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4/19/07 1:46 PM
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"And as a matter of fact in the case of this particular mutation it's infact BENEFICIAL to the fish, since by looking like a worm it allows the angler fish to capture prey." Your telling me that a regular fish woke up one day with that apparatus stuck on its head??? When has this ever been observed? You, sir, have created an unfalsifiable hypothesis. You'll just make rattles and angling mechanisms magically appear. At least I have the honesty to admit that such a contraption would necessitate a higher intelligence to create.

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