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5/10/07 7:33 AM
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Kolsyrade
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Very nice video with two talented young fighters, a japanese kyokushin guy and a chinese sanshou guy doing their very best. They are only 11 years old, but they both fight better than many adult pro fighters. These guys do NOT train in a McDojo where soccer moms store away their kids while they go shopping in the mall the the dojo is located. 1&3rd round is sanshou rules, 2nd round is kyokushin knockdown karate rules. With added protective gear due to their age. I look forward to seeing them fight in their respective sports in a few years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQbmWd1H_Oc
5/13/07 7:36 AM
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Cool vid. What was the story behind this?
5/13/07 9:03 AM
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Kolsyrade
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No idea really. Some kind of friendly cross-style youth event. One of the japanese adults is Narujima Ryu (famous lightweight kyokushin fighter out of IKO1 -the kyokushin faction run by Matsui).
5/13/07 7:10 PM
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what happened with the kyokushin politics. is there one dominant org now?
5/14/07 3:07 AM
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Kolsyrade
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"what happened with the kyokushin politics. is there one dominant org now?" No. There are still a lot of different organisations out there, without anyone being dominant. The two largest orgs are the one run by Matsui and Midori, with one run by Matsushima close behind. Then there are about 2-3 of medium size and a lot of small ones. But the legal cases seems to have stalled, more or less. So there may by some hope of loose cooperation now, but kyokushin will never again be the single huge organization that it was before the founder died. Th Matsui organization has close contacts with K-1 and has a exclusive on sending fighters under the kyokushin banner to their events, so they are the most commonly seen group outside kyokushin events. Also kyokushin traditionally has a "no pro-fighter" rule hat is still observed by most organizations -forcing top fighters to go independent to make a living from their fighting skills.
5/16/07 1:02 PM
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yusul
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how can they have a no pro rule, then fight in k-1?
5/16/07 8:22 PM
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"how can they have a no pro rule, then fight in k-1?" I wrote "still observed by MOST organizations". The Matsui faction of kyokushin has abandoned the rule (or more exactly, they give out permission to fight as pro to some good fighters that requests it. Jadamba in k-1 max and shootboxing asked and didnt get it, so he had to do like so many other and leave), and has a close cooperation with k-1.
5/20/07 1:52 PM
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yusul
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i see.
5/22/07 5:45 PM
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Edited: 22-May-07
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What is the story behind Yasuhiro Shichinohe heading one of the IKO factions, then stepping down?
5/23/07 3:33 AM
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Edited: 23-May-07 06:42 AM
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I didnt intend this to be a "explain the politics behind the scenes in kyokushin" thread, but... Shichinohe was head of IKO2/WKO for a while -taking over when Sanpei resigned from the post in 2000 (to take up a less requiring post in the organization) which he in turn had taken over from Nishida in 1999, however Shichinohe privately aided a smaller rival kyokushin organization (kyokushin union) in a court case over the copyrights for names and symbols, against IKO1 (headed by Matsui) to aid his old teacher. That was all nice, but unfortunately it clashed with the court case IKO2/WKO was fighting against IKO1 over the same copyrights at the same time. Obviously you cant head one organization and help another organization in court when it will hurt your own organizations legal case. So he was asked by the board of directors to stop. He didnt, so then he was told by the board of directors to leave. He did. He is now a top member of the kyokushin union organization. He was replaced in IKO2/WKO 2001 by Kenji Midori, which is the best thing that could ever have happened to IKO2/WKO.
5/23/07 11:25 AM
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I see. Thanks, I trained under Shichinohe in Okinawa in 1991. Great guy.

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