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5/24/07 12:49 AM
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"Clyde Beatty (born June 10, 1903 in Bainbridge, Ohio, USA; died July 19, 1965) was a big game hunter who became famous as a lion tamer and animal trainer." "At the height of his fame, the act featured 40 lions and tigers of both sexes." This man says lions win. 'nuff said. ------- this kind of evidence is pretty useless because it's anecdotal, I can pull up some tiger stuff too: "This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950 by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier." (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287)" .
5/24/07 12:51 AM
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"In the video where the male lion runs away, it was actually slapped by the male tiger. Also in the video where the lion gets slammed it's by a male tiger who is protecting his bitch." Hmmm so it was two on one. Seems to be a favorite tactic of the dastardly tigers, and the only way they can defeat the noble lions.
5/24/07 12:53 AM
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"Hmmm so it was two on one. Seems to be a favorite tactic of the dastardly tigers, and the only way they can defeat the noble lions." Male lions are not noble, they don't do shit all day and wait for the women to bring the bread home. they rarely hunt and sleep for like 20 hours of the day. Tigers on the other hand are solitary creatures that hunt alone without any need for backup. they eat the food that they hunt, and don't rely on women to bring them food.
5/24/07 12:55 AM
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"this kind of evidence is pretty useless because it's anecdotal, I can pull up some tiger stuff too: "This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950 by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier." One tiger defeating one lion shows nothing, as I have already said. Some tigers can beat some lions, but the lions will usually win. A professional lion tamer with 40+ lions says lions usually win. He's authoritative, and more of an expert than you, me, or any of our other sources.
5/24/07 12:57 AM
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"Tigers on the other hand are solitary creatures that hunt alone without any need for backup. they eat the food that they hunt, and don't rely on women to bring them food. " Proof that lions are noble AND intelligent. Why work when you can make your bitches do it.
5/24/07 12:58 AM
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"One tiger defeating one lion shows nothing, as I have already said. Some tigers can beat some lions, but the lions will usually win. A professional lion tamer with 40+ lions says lions usually win. He's authoritative, and more of an expert than you, me, or any of our other sources." well the diff. between beatty's claims is that he has no documentation. The koreans held pit fights between many tigers and lions, videotaped them and showed the Tiger to be the victor, this is far more reliable than stories from 100 years ago. And in addition, the newspaper article reporting the Tiger killing the lion is far better proof as well.
5/24/07 1:01 AM
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Hmmmm... the development of the lion's forequarters for "fighting" sounds quite specious to me. I think a better explanation would be that lions chase down their pray in prides, and that first lion/lioness needs to HOLD THE FUCK ON to a big ass water buffalo that they've chased down. In contrast, tigers are ambush predators so leaping would have quite the advantage - especially in the forest, where open field chases aren't the norm.
5/24/07 1:03 AM
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Im still waiting for an explanation on how a tiger kill a lion? Its neck bite is woefully ineffective so is it going to beat it to death with paws? Mind you the lion is better at fighting other big cats and can kill the tiger if it gets its neck.
5/24/07 1:04 AM
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"well the diff. between beatty's claims is that he has no documentation." So what qualifies as documentation now? He has to have video? In that case, your quotes from Darwin and other are undocumented as well. Either way, he did make a video of a lion killing a tiger. It is in the film, "The Big Cage", and is an actual fight. Also, the Koreans are the ones who are biased. They consider the tiger a national symbol.
5/24/07 1:24 AM
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" Im still waiting for an explanation on how a tiger kill a lion? Its neck bite is woefully ineffective so is it going to beat it to death with paws? Mind you the lion is better at fighting other big cats and can kill the tiger if it gets its neck. " probably what darwin observed: "In 1857 a tiger at Bromwich broke into the cage of a lion and a fearful scene ensued: 'the lions mane saved his head and neck from being much injured, but the tiger at last succeeded in ripping up his belly, and in a few minutes he was dead. -The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex. Charles Darwin. In addition, the excellent boxing ability of the tiger as demonstrated in so many videos is enough to disable or stun the lion as it goes for other more vulnerable parts. In addition, anek stated that male Lions do in fact kill each other in battles, so I would imagine the Tiger would do the same thing agsinst a smaller weaker lion except do it much better.
5/24/07 1:29 AM
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"So what qualifies as documentation now? He has to have video? In that case, your quotes from Darwin and other are undocumented as well. Either way, he did make a video of a lion killing a tiger. It is in the film, "The Big Cage", and is an actual fight. Also, the Koreans are the ones who are biased. They consider the tiger a national symbol. " The newspaper article is the most reliable proof as it was reporting on an actual event that happened. also Darwin is a most trustworthy source as he was a real scientist that did real research. The other quotes are from top universities like University of Chicago Press, again high standards of scholarship. and the tiger killing the rhino is a recent event and is easily verifiable with a simple phone call to the indian park. The koreans were biased but they did seem to genuinely conduct the fights. The lions looked pretty healthy and energetic in the videos and did not appear weakened. Also those old american movies had tigers kicking the lions ass as well, so we have 2 video documented sources that show the same thing.
5/24/07 1:40 AM
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5/24/07 1:46 AM
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Lion even gets owned by a Zeebra!!! <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Y6NyQSHTVOU"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param></object>
5/24/07 3:16 AM
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"The newspaper article is the most reliable proof as it was reporting on an actual event that happened. also Darwin is a most trustworthy source as he was a real scientist that did real research." I never questioned your sources. As if Darwin would lie due to a pro-tiger bias ... not all of us resort to conspiracy theories to discredit sources that contradict us. The fact is that lairweb says that some of the time the tiger will win, and some of the time the lion will win, but that the lion will win more often. You posting videos or references to the times the tigers won doesn't invalidate that point. The better fighter can only be determined by who wins more often, and according to a famous big cat trainer, that is the lion. Unless you can post another expert source that says the opposite, there's no reason to believe that tigers are the superior fighter. BTW, in your black and white lion vs. tiger video, the lion kills the tigress. That part was edited out by the pro tiger vid poster.
5/24/07 5:18 AM
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http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Odd%20Pics%202/Grizzly.html
5/24/07 10:21 AM
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Yoshida says that 7 lions were all over an elephant and the elephant got away. I don't understand the logic of saying that 7 fucking lions were on it and it got away and then concluding that a tiger, by itself, beats an elephant in a fight to the death. A lot of animals just don't feel like scrapping. But if it came down to it, my top 9 would kill a tiger. BTW, can you show me documentation of a tiger killing a full grown male Indian Bison that is healthy? Also, here is a vid of some elephants punking some of your beloved big cats: When elephants want to they will run train on anything, simple as that. And stop saying that tigers are TWICE as big as lions. Saying that, plus your unsound logic stated above, shows what a fucking moron you are.
5/24/07 10:24 AM
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Also, I didn't think the intelligence of this thread could be brought down anymore than Yoshida already has, but then NatureActivist showed up. It's like children trying to butt into an adult conversation
5/24/07 10:38 AM
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Anyone know anything about ligers (besides their magical powers)? If there are any in the wild I'd imagine they'd give both lions and tigers a run for toughest cat. The largest non-obese was 1200 pounds, much larger than a Siberian Tiger. I'm not sure on their athletic ability or instincts though. "Shasta, a ligress (female liger) was born at the Hogle Zoo in Salt Lake City on May 14th, 1948 and died in 1972 at age 24. The 1973 Guinness world records reported an 18 year old, 798 kg (1756 lb) male liger living at Bloemfontein zoological gardens, South Africa in 1888. Valley of the Kings animal sanctuary in Wisconsin has a 21 year old Male Liger named Nook who weighs 550 kg (1210 lb), and is still living as of January 2007. http://www.votk.org/pictures/index.php ."
5/24/07 10:53 AM
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lol , J-wizard the only thing that 's bringing down the intelligence of this thread is your pathetic list of animals that YOU think can beat a tiger. While I quote the news, you have your opinions. ANOTHER PIECE OF NEWS FROM INDIA! LONE TIGRESS KILLS ADULT ELEPHANT! Elephant dies after fight with tigress Publish Date : 5/29/2005 11:32:00 AM Source : Animals and Nature News An elephant is suspected to have died of wounds inflicted by the same tigress that attacked a man at the Corbett National Park in Uttaranchal. Park officials confirmed that the pachyderm, which was found dead Friday night, had fought with the tigress that had mauled a man at the Dhikala tourist complex on the previous night. According to a park official, "The elephant had been spotted with wounds, visibly inflicted by a tiger about five or six days back. "We were keeping track of the animal. Finally we found him lying dead in the forest quite close to the Dhikala complex." The elephant was found to have suffered multiple wounds on its trunk and it was amply evident that these were sustained in a battle with the tigress, which is suspected to have also suffered wounds. The tigress had been spotted with two cubs. These cubs are believed to have been with the mother during the fight with the elephant. Park officials were of the view that the elephant was unable to eat on account of the wounds on its trunk and therefore turned quite weak. Asked why officials did not tranquillise the elephant to treat its wounds, Uttaranchal chief wildlife warden C.K. Chandola told IANS: "It is usually preferred that animals living in their natural habitat find their own natural means to heal themselves. "No one thought that the wounds would prove fatal," he said. "Special teams had been detailed to keep track of the movements of the tigress to assess the nature and kind of wounds it had received in the fight with the elephant." While there is no evidence of the big cat turning into a man-eater, Chandola did not rule out the possibility. "Irreparable wounds or old age and infirmity can force a tiger to turn to man-eating. We have to keep a strict vigil."
5/24/07 10:55 AM
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Found a good vid on youtube about ligers that answers my own questions above... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqwLmkd8fl8&mode=related&search= There aren't any in the wild and it's theorized their size would be more of a hindrance than an advantage. It's amazing to see those cats dwarfing tigers on that vid though.
5/24/07 10:57 AM
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LOL! More sources of Tigers kicking the shit out of elephants: Tiger kills man, injures elephant Dalgaon, Nov 29, 2006. A Royal Bengal tiger which sneaked from the Orang National Park on the night of November 24 last and later killed one Niranjan Das (50) of village Nichilamari under Borchala police outpost also attacked a trained elephant of the Park. Briefing this, DFO, Wildlife informed that the elephant named "Indra" who was engaged alongwith three other domestic elephants of the Park to force the tiger back to the forest area, was seriously injured by the 'man-eater'. The team of forest guards and elephants were compelled to retreat after the severe attack. Tranquiliser specialists also failed to bring the man-eater under control. But to the utter relief of the Park authority and the villagers, the 'man-eater' returned to the Park in the afternoon of November 26 last, ascertained by the foot prints of the animal, the source added.
5/24/07 10:58 AM
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dirt, the Liger is a docile unaggressive animal that does not even have 1/10th the ferocity of a royal bengal tiger. It is a magnificent creature but not a true fighter.
5/24/07 11:21 AM
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LOL, that elephant died because it couldn't eat. The tiger must have taken a piece of the trunk off toward the bottom. This has nothing to do with the two being committed to a fight and fighting to the death
5/24/07 11:23 AM
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How does a unicorn fare in all this? It's magical and it's got a horn for poking.
5/24/07 11:26 AM
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Also, if you mind taking a break from your misleading stories, can you answer my question about tigers and Indian Bison?

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