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6/17/07 9:09 AM
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just wondering, I heard leopard cats are well hard to takecareof
6/17/07 10:35 AM
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maine coon cats are nasty from what i hear.
6/17/07 11:24 AM
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Savannah





6/17/07 11:25 AM
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but really, its the liger

6/17/07 11:44 AM
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thats one big ass liger
6/17/07 11:56 AM
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now that's a fuckin' cat.
6/17/07 12:22 PM
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As far as I know, F1 Savannahs are the biggest and fastest you can own without jumping through a lot of hoops. They get to something like 30 lbs and will set you back several thousand dollars. Anything bigger or more wild could potentially be pretty dangerous, e.g. Servals.
6/17/07 12:29 PM
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That liger looks like it's gonna git raped
6/17/07 12:35 PM
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alpo, I was looking at cat breeds aand things like 'F1' 'F2' come up often, what do they represent?
6/17/07 12:41 PM
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That is one awesome cat. Cat's rule. That tiger is HUGE! It is very sad that they are going extinct =(
6/17/07 2:25 PM
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no, they are just learning to turn invisible
6/17/07 2:46 PM
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alpo, I was looking at cat breeds aand things like 'F1' 'F2' come up often, what do they represent? It has to do with the amount of generations the animal is separated from its wild ancestors. Savannahs are usually a Serval (wild) mixed with a Bengal cat (domestic). F1 is a first generation or 50/50 mix. An F2 is going to be the offspring of a female F1 bred with another Bengal, or 25% Serval/75% domestic. F3 is 12.5% Serval and so on. Male Savannahs are sterile, FYI, and they are generally the ones being sold as pets, since females are used as breeders. Males are bigger and smarter, so they make better pets anyway. F1 is the highest because 50% wildcat is the highest the law allows without special licenses, etc. Though, technically speaking, Bengals also have wild blood in them too, but that species is legally recognized as domestic, even though it isn't really completely domestic. The only reason I know all this shit is because one of my friends at work raises and sells them.
8/4/07 9:25 PM
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Hopefully I will have a F1 male Savannah within the next year. The prices vary so much right now($2000-6000 F1 male), you basically have to order a cat and wait. A Savannah has both the personality of a good dog & cat. You can walk a Savannah on a leash. A Savannah will play fetch. Also, they love water. He will jump in the tub while you shower. But, they will still have all the great traits of normal house cat, but double the size.
8/14/07 12:46 PM
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The Bengal is pretty tuff...only sets you back a G or so
8/17/07 11:27 PM
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Savannah's are the ones that can catch birds out of the air, right? Pretty cool, imo. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind owning an Ocelot.
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I wouldn't want a cat that could potentially do serious damage to me, or possibly kill a child.
9/22/08 9:50 AM
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These cats are beautiful and very impressive. I used to want one until I found out about the breeding process of crossing domestics with wild cats. Try doing a search on it.....
9/23/08 9:56 AM
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 I can't find anything on it.
9/29/08 12:53 PM
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Try a search with some combination of Servals + hybrid +breeding problems or cruelty. It won't be the breeders' pages that provide this kind of information.

This website has a little info
www.messybeast.com/small-hybrids/fertility-hybrids.htm

There are a lot of fatalities in the breading process b/t a wild cat and a domestic. One problem is the obvious size difference b/t the Serval and the domestic. The gestation period is also different, so incubation is usually necessary after a pre-mature birth

found this on a website too
"Hybrid cats have many genetic disorders. IBS is highly common as are allergies, and intestinal problems. They may have spinal bifida, a hole in the heart, blindness, deafness, brain damage, shunted livers, underdeveloped kidneys, deformed hips and legs, and a host of other illnesses. Genetic illness can be expected in a cat that is hybridized. You may not hear about these afore mentioned problems because most cats of hybridization are deformed enough to die at birth or by the fourteenth day. Alternatively, the mother may eat the kitten at birth, or a breeder may put down the unhealthy kitten of a first generation cross. Those that make it are stunning with "minor" health an behavior issues. Many of the Bengal litters are only 2 kittens in the first three generations. ONLY the female is capable, reproductively speaking, until the fourth generation (F4). You are correct that a Savannah male could be sterile until the 7th generation F7. "

No expert here (obviously)....I think the cats are awesome and had always wanted one, but I just can't contribute to the needless deaths of these cats. Kind of reminds me of puppy mills...all about the dollar. Besides, there are enough cats out there that are being put down every day...they'd love a home.
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 That is the breeding process and every domesticated animal has been put through that in some form or another.

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