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9/11/07 9:27 AM
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TLM378
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I keep seeing this snake when I walk my dog. We live in Orlando (central florida) and I've seen the snake from 7am - 7pm. My dog was about 3 inches from it and it didn't act aggressive towards her, but I still told my dog to get the fuck out of there. It's not the best picture, but the snake wasn't really wanting to pose for the pic. Any help would be appreciated. I just want to know how cautious to be around it as I've almost stepped on it a couple of times. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4944/snakerj6.jpg
9/11/07 1:24 PM
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Looks like a Banded Water Snake. Banded Water Snake I'd say that if you aren't 100% sure, and don't be based on my guess, leave it totally alone. Water snakes are usually pretty aggressive when picked up. TLM's pic:
9/11/07 1:35 PM
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[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6296/snakeig8.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=502&i=snakeig8.jpg][IMG]http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6296/snakeig8.f496860cff.jpg[/IMG][/URL] The other link is down. I'm just worried it's a cotton mouth. It's hard to tell what color it is, whether it's a brown or black or dark green. It does have a ridge on it's back, making it look almost triangular.
9/11/07 5:28 PM
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Again, just my opinion, but the head didn't look cotton mouth and the eye looked rounded. That being said, I'd leave it alone.
9/11/07 6:20 PM
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This may help: While it appears likely to be a water snake of some variety, when in doubt just leave it alone.
9/11/07 6:22 PM
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A darker cottonmouth for reference, note the head shape and pit between the eye and nostril: Does the snake you see appear to have any pit between the eye and nostril ?
9/11/07 6:24 PM
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Another Cottonmouth:
9/11/07 6:29 PM
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TLM378
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that picture is freaky... well he does look more like the water snake being killed by the cottonmouth. Any idea what that ridge he has is (in my pic that isn't showing up?) He's a cool looking snake and has been pretty cool about me and my dog almost stepping on him a few times now.
9/11/07 6:36 PM
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Spankenstyne
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That would be it's spine ;P Actually some females when gravid (preggo and holding babies/eggs) will also look like that. In the watersnake pic it's tough to see at first with the engle it's at, but it also shows that ridge. Then again the last cottonmouth pic also has the same thing going on. I think the cottonmouth is just laid across the watersnake for the pic too.
9/11/07 6:37 PM
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Just posting your pic so we can see it.
9/11/07 6:41 PM
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A banded water snake. Pay close attention to the head in comparison:
9/11/07 6:44 PM
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Other than the color that last banded water snake looks a LOT like the snake I've seen. Are they usually out during the day? I saw him today at 8 am in central florida
9/16/07 10:52 AM
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Perfect time to see them.
10/10/07 10:45 AM
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I lived on the second floor of an apartment with a water reservoir behind it.  One night my girlfriend screams bloody murder.  I come to the living room that has a glass door to our balcony and a 5 ft version of that water snake is climbing up our door.  It eventually curled up in a corner and I scooped it in a trash can and threw it back in the reservoir.  I didn't know what it was at the time but it was that snake.  I think it was looking for our cat because we usually let her sit out there.
10/10/07 3:34 PM
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Looking for your cat so that it could avoid her? Cause a watersnake would not attack a cat.
10/10/07 4:04 PM
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don't know.  that's the only reason I could think of it coming up there.
10/13/07 7:19 AM
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lol at the facial expression on that cottonmouth! DaddyRich it was most likely looking for rodents/amphibians or shelter. But it got me thinking, are there any 5-foot snakes that could possibly eat a cat? Maybe a blood python?
10/13/07 9:33 AM
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Adult cat is awful big for a 5 footer of any kind. Consider that the average adult cat is around 8 lbs and that rodent pro's triple large jumbo rat is 1.3 pounds. I don't know too many 5 foot snakes that would need more than medium rats (.40 pounds) or at most large rats (.60 pounds). With that in mind, I don't see a 5 footer coming close to eating an adult cat. Not to mention that live rodents can put up a fight and injure a snake. I'm not sure how a 5 foot constrictor would go about the kill of an adult cat.
10/15/07 10:24 AM
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i don't know that the snake's intent was but my cat did spend hours everyday out there. there weren't any mice or rodents living on my balcony.  the snake did get very comfortable coming to our building.  a downstairs neighbor had flower pots on her patio (creating her own garden) and she met him a few times.  he'd also curl up in a vent on the side of our building to sleep.


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