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10/20/07 2:20 PM
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Edited: 20-Oct-07
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Due to the interdisciplinarity of my IR program, I have to take a Geography class on Space, Place, and Identity. After reading the material on feminism and postcolonialism, I have this to say. Due to the influence of critical theory, the root of identity is taken to be linguistic, rather than material. The basis for this ontological assertion is that identity (especially gender) is malleable and therefore has nothing to do with sex or biology. I noticed that in order to make this assertion, Judith Butler posited a mind body split (going as far as to talk about a soul). So my question is this, couldn't biology both allow for malleability and limit identity? Is the notion that the social is based on the biological too dangerous?
10/23/07 6:29 AM
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Edited: 23-Oct-07
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The fact that there are platypi swimmin around does not make the definition of a mammal inconsequential. Feminists basing their logic on a hatred of the feminine (read "girly") are goin downhill. Feminists finding that traditionally feminine attributes are equal to masculine attributes is where its at
10/24/07 7:27 PM
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Edited: 24-Oct-07
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What about people that believe they are women, but have the sex of men? Crossdressers as well. This demonstrates that gender is a superficial category and not based on biology. Gender is entirely a social construct created by the power centered in patriarchy, according to critical theorists. People are different than animals in this way, the social is constructed.
10/25/07 5:01 PM
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sorry but thats nonsense. the social is constructed ? what is there thats not constructed ? Biology ? hardly. There is no a priori things in themselves in biology. Rather, Language is itself a construct and it is language that lets us define attributes of mammals just as its language that lets us define the attributes of gender. Pointing out an exception to the known attributes of gender does not (despite the vociferous objections of the anti-feminine feminists) make the make the concept of gender obsolete any more than the pointing out that "mammals dont lay eggs" makes the concept of "mammal" obsolete.
10/25/07 11:50 PM
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Edited: 25-Oct-07 11:56 PM
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"sorry but thats nonsense. the social is constructed ? what is there thats not constructed ? Biology ? hardly. There is no a priori things in themselves in biology. Rather, Language is itself a construct and it is language that lets us define attributes of mammals just as its language that lets us define the attributes of gender. Pointing out an exception to the known attributes of gender does not (despite the vociferous objections of the anti-feminine feminists) make the make the concept of gender obsolete any more than the pointing out that "mammals dont lay eggs" makes the concept of "mammal" obsolete." Concepts are different than identities. Gender identities have varied over time as social roles, the concept of mammal is pretty much constant. Gender as we know it was constructed in the Victorian age. Before that gender was alot less polarized.
10/26/07 7:05 AM
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Gender as we know it was constructed in the Victorian age. Before that gender was alot less polarized. okee-dokee sleeper
10/26/07 6:50 PM
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Edited: 26-Oct-07 06:54 PM
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It was also alot less polarized before WWII. Wars tend to bring out nationalism, which uses gender to build nuclear family identities. I dare you to deny it.
10/27/07 4:57 PM
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Edited: 27-Oct-07
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So the ghost of the machine is genderless and the biological body that it inhabits determines gender based on social enviroment's cultivation? Isn't the fundemental difference between the m/f in our species the variance in sex hormones? Test. for males producing male characteristics - facial hair, muscular density and growth, deeper voices?
10/27/07 5:51 PM
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Edited: 27-Oct-07
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"Test. for males producing male characteristics - facial hair, muscular density and growth, deeper voices?" There are females with all of those. Sure there are extremes, but the overlap is larger than the polar differences.

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