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10/29/07 8:12 AM
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Atecexa
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ME!!!! From: Atecexa Date: 10/22/07 08:19 AM Member Since: 01/01/2001 2595 Total Posts Ignore User Edit amazing how fickle baseball fans are lol Drew still had an extremely mediocre season for what we are paying him, that's Boston front office fault not his however. The thing that drives me nuts about Drew is that I know he's a very good ball player but he never looks like he's trying hard or even (looks like he) cares about failure I say Boston decisively wins Game 1 deflates any and all Colorado wind and sweeps the series the original can be seen in the post "Indians vs. BoSox = championship" thread if you need to see it
10/29/07 10:40 AM
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"The thing that drives me nuts about Drew is that I know he's a very good ball player but he never looks like he's trying hard or even (looks like he) cares about failure" Thats probably why is has been shipped around so many times.
10/29/07 11:03 AM
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I was wrong about Drew being unable to turn his season around at Game 4 of the ALCS. Amazing what 7 games will do. He earned himself plenty of goodwill in Boston. I was however clamoring for Ellsbury to take over an OF spot. I think people can see why Crisp had resigned himself to being shipped out this off season...
10/29/07 4:22 PM
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Crisp is almost a shoe in for the soon to be vacant Minnesota Twins CF...I would like to see Boston do a deal to send Crisp to Minnesota for Johan Santana
10/30/07 5:32 PM
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Yeah, that would be a fair trade. Crisp plus about 3 other guys
10/30/07 6:22 PM
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Crisp, Buchholz, and Lester is the rumor.
10/31/07 8:29 AM
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I could see letting Lester go but Bucholz is just too hot a prospect, Crisp and Lester for a guy who you won't be able to keep more than a year and replacing a guy you CAN'T keep would be a great deal for the twins
10/31/07 9:19 AM
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Buccholz COULD POSSIBLY turn into the guy that Santana already is. Obviously there would have to be a contract extension as part of the deal.
10/31/07 11:50 AM
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What about Schilling?
10/31/07 11:57 AM
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I'd like to see him stay. That's between him and the Sox. He has a value in mind as do the Sox. I'm sure they'll both want to find a middle ground. It comes down to who's willing to compromise more.
11/1/07 9:14 AM
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^^ Not so sure about that, gromble. If he publicly states his position is soft, then he goes to the negotiating table weak. Schilling and I'm sure his agent are no schlub's when it comes to the business aspect of baseball, and stating a strong position is good for business. That said, I'm not entirely sure that 13 mill for a single season is even that bad for schill. He's a good presence in the clubhouse. Players point to his and Ortiz's meeting after game 4 of the ALCS as a driving force behind their push. He can teach their young players a boat load about pitching in the MLB, and he's a proven post season performer even when he has average stuff.
11/2/07 1:37 PM
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yes but the guy has to be able to deliver consistent 7+ inning performances...Schilling does not show that. I would like to keep him but not for anything near a guranteed 13mil for one season. Letting Bucholz go would be the downfall of what could/should be a dynasty, try to get Santana yes but do not let go of Clay
11/2/07 1:54 PM
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Like I said, a contract extension would need to be part of the deal. I'd trade Clay (and Lester/Crisp) for Santana in a heart beat if Johan signed on for 3-4 more years. As for Schill, if they don't get Santana, then they'll lack a real veteran presence that can be an achor mentally and a guy that could really help bring the young kids along. We'll see what happens.
11/3/07 12:25 PM
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yes but a star rookie is a great spark for any team...look at how the Sox did when Ellsbury came in and Pedroia cranked it up. I would love to have Santana but not at the expense of Buchholz. I would still lay Lester, Crisp and a player to be named later
11/3/07 12:53 PM
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Guarantee 1000% that Theo disagrees with that if a contract extension is involved. Again, Santana is what Buccholz has the small possibility to be: one of the most dominant pitchers in MLB & a perennial Cy Young contender. I'm sure the White Sox wish they had traded Wilson Alvarez when his value was through the roof after his rookie no-hitter.
11/5/07 7:40 AM
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how old is santana? why do people think it would be impossible to keep clay and get santana
11/5/07 9:27 AM
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He's 28. Might not be impossible, but that is who will be part of any trade talks with any team.
11/6/07 9:15 AM
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Rumor is the Sox and Schill are very close to a one-year deal.
11/6/07 10:48 AM
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i just think Clay would become another in a long line of Sox young prospects to become immortalized with another team and the veteran we get slides off into nothingness let's begin a list of former Sox who became stupidly great Jeff Bagwell Kenny Lofton Dennis Eckerlsey (as a young closer) Babe Ruth continue
11/6/07 10:55 AM
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How about the Sox prospects that never panned out? Sele, Morton, Neihring, etc.
11/6/07 4:31 PM
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Schilling is staying.
11/8/07 9:58 AM
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Sele was a decent pitcher, noone touted him at the next big thing like Buccholz if they trade Buccholz for Santana Buchholz will become the next Roger Clemens and Sanatan will be the new Kerry Wood
11/8/07 10:04 AM
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"Sele was a decent pitcher, noone touted him at the next big thing like Buccholz" Actually he was projected to be a 2-3 guy. Morton was projected to be the same. The overwhelming odds are in favor of a prospect not making it than him becoming a Hall of Fame player that dominates the league for more than a decade. "if they trade Buccholz for Santana Buchholz will become the next Roger Clemens and Sanatan will be the new Kerry Wood" Guarantee Theo disagrees. Clay has a huge upside, but like I said Santana already is what Buccholz may become. It's a smart trade.
11/12/07 2:54 PM
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you maximize every single other possible possibility to get him without losing Buchholz...but Santana doesnt even become a FA until the end of next yr right?
11/13/07 12:45 PM
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After the 2008 season. If I'm the Sox, and the Twins offer me Santana for Buchholz and Lester, I take it, as long as they give me 5 days to work out a long-term contract extension with Santana.

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