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11/16/07 10:48 AM
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Willybone
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I was looking for a carry pistol yesterday. I wanted a snub-revolver, but they all felt too big for my pocket. I checked out the Ket-tec .32, but it felt really "cheap" in my hands. The store owner recommended a like-new Beretta .25ACP instead. Dang, that is a tiny, solidly built gun.

What's your opinion on guns smaller than .38? Useless? Better than nothing? Essential backup tool?
11/17/07 1:08 AM
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Edited: 17-Nov-07
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There's a reason most PD's won't let their officers carry anything smaller than a .380 for backup. Mouse guns are better than nothing, but a more powerful round will get better penetration and possible expansion, which most mouse guns won't. Most mouse gun calibers have a lot of trouble penetrating bone in a human body. People that are killed by 22's 25's 32's etc are typically killed from blood loss, well after they've been shot. Something that might not happen until well after you (the defender) has been killed. If you ever have to use it (god forbid), put the rounds where they'll do the most good and keep putting them there until the gun goes click or they hit the ground. (this is true of any caliber)
11/19/07 3:41 PM
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Willybone
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I have heard that the .25 is woefully underpowered round. Maybe I'll just have to suck it up and get used to carrying something a little larger.
11/20/07 5:44 PM
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Edited: 20-Nov-07
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Guardian .32, Trigger by T, RBCD Ammo
11/20/07 6:11 PM
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Edited: 20-Nov-07
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I'd go with a 22 Magnum. They have decent penetration up close and any type of weapon that you will be carrying in your pocket will end up being used a extremly close range. A 22 Mag at close range will get the job done but I would be sure to put all shots in the head if I had to use it.
11/20/07 8:34 PM
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Edited: 20-Nov-07
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I'd go for the Keltec P-11. It is a little bigger than the p-32, but has a lot more punch.
11/21/07 1:01 PM
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Willybone
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I would like to try a Keltec P9. It's like the P-11, but in a single stack. I'm hoping either of those will feel better than the .32.

The Guardians are nice. They felt more solid, like the Beretta. They were a little more expensive than I was looking to spend that day.
11/23/07 2:34 AM
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Edited: 23-Nov-07
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"People that are killed by 22's 25's 32's etc are typically killed from blood loss, well after they've been shot." Same for all other calibers, actually. I've worked on several cases where cops were killed by .22s. They may not have been clinically dead at the scene, but they were out of the fight the second they got shot.
11/23/07 10:52 PM
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Edited: 23-Nov-07
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Smaller bullets have been known to enter the body then ricochet off bones causing lots more damage. I've heard of cases where someone was shot in, let's say, the arm and have the bullet end up down in their abdomen or leg. Small bullets do weird things.
11/25/07 10:13 PM
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Take a look at the kel-tek p3at - small .380 http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec_P3AT.htm
11/30/07 5:28 PM
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Edited: 30-Nov-07
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If you want a pocket pistol for concealability but still want in a larger caliber, check out the smallest glocks. They are small but are still chambered in 9mm and beyond. Lots of cops use them for their backup weapons. They also accept mags from full size counterparts.
11/30/07 6:03 PM
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Rohrbaugh 9mm - - Rolls Royce of pocket guns in a major caliber.
12/3/07 11:19 AM
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Willybone
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Rohrbaugh 9mm

Beautiful gun. It reminds me of a high-end pocketknife in craftmanship.
12/4/07 10:40 PM
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ryanJ
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The Kel-Tec P3 AT is a pretty good pocket gun...it feels pretty cheap in the hand, but fires ok. I have one with a little laser site (It actually makes the pocket imprint go away.)
12/13/07 6:25 PM
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Edited: 13-Dec-07
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I have a colt mustang .380 that fits nicely in ones pocket. It is a great gun that I have owned and enjoyed for years.
1/5/08 1:08 PM
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Willybone
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After trying the .25 at the range a few times, I decided to trade it in on a S&W .38 snub.
It's much larger and heavier, but there's no safety to fumble with and I feel more secure with 5 fat slugs instead of 9 tiny ones.
2/3/08 12:40 PM
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Willybone
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I think if I'd had the .22 version, I would've kept it (and gotten the .38). It would've been higher velocity and much cheaper to feed than the .25, which costs as much as .45ACP at the local shop.

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