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11/19/07 1:10 PM
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Which one do you like better for the novice? SV650:

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11/19/07 2:11 PM
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I don't know anything about the Honda, but I have an SV650S. The SV can be a good first bike, assuming that you take the MSF course, and assuming that you realise that it is still apretty powerful bike, even though it is "only" a 650, and ride accordingly. The downside to an SV is that Suzuki keeps the price low by using light suspension, among other things, so if you weigh more than about 150 pounds, you are probably going to need to upgrade the suspension. Other than that, it is a great bike. Very dependable, and a ton of fun to ride. Also, it is not solely a starter bike. As you get more experience, you can still enjoy riding the SV.
11/19/07 5:11 PM
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Thanks pm1964. How about the GSR600?
11/19/07 8:30 PM
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11/20/07 11:38 AM
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Out of those two the SV no question. The 599 doesn't perform as well and is $1300 more. Spend that $1300 on suspension (penske/ohlins rear and racetech springs, valve emulators and oil up front) and you solve the only gripe most folks have with the SV. As others have mentioned the SV isn't just a novice bike. Also the new 650s comes with a full fairing and is very nice looking. I'd trade my naked for one of these, no question. FWIW the motorcycle mags (sport rider and motorcyclist) have done comparisons on these bikes before and the SV came out ahead. In that class you need to take a look at the ninja 650r as well, compares very well with the SV. As far as novice riding goes, both are probably gonna be fine. However if I was new to riding I would be looking at nothing else besides the new ninja 250. Safer than the SV, super agile, light, amazing gas mileage and CHEAP! Look how small it is!
11/20/07 12:01 PM
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Can I get a naked ninja 250? Can I make it a custom naked by having the fairings taken off? (I just think fairings are ugly and naked=beautiful)
11/20/07 1:01 PM
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You get a lot more low end, usable power with the SV650 because it's a torquey v-twin. That means you don't have to rev the piss out of it to make power. I wish I wouldn't have sold mine, it was a great bike. Big_slacker - do you use shell rotella in your SV? Also, what's the MPG for a Ninja 250?
11/20/07 2:00 PM
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I think the MPG on the Ninja 250 is around 60 mpg. big_slacker, Is the SV650 too much for a FIRST bike? (I promise I'll go slow and easy for a year.) Is there a naked/standard that's smaller and would be a better choice? Maybe a Buell Blast? (ugh...)
11/20/07 2:37 PM
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For a first bike, you might want to consider a Suzuki DR200SE. Very light, very easy to ride, very inexpensive to buy and maintain.
11/20/07 3:30 PM
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King Otter - the SV is an excellent first bike - if you have self control. It's powerful enough to get you into trouble if you ride outside your abilities. However, it is a very tossable, easy to ride bike. Don't be an idiot when you ride and you will be OK. Please don't get a Buell...
11/22/07 3:45 PM
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I use regular mobil 1 motorcycle oil, its usually the most reasonable of the MC specific stuff. I'm not completely sold that MC specific oil does a damn thing that regular oil doesn't, but I figure with relatively long oil change intervals why risk it? The SV is not my first bike. For streetbikes I've also had a 600rr, current gen VFR and an F4i. If I had to pick a favorite I'd be torn between the SV and the VFR because they both offer great but different rides. The 600cc bikes handle twisties very well but weren't that great for the street or longer rides. ANY sportbike can be made a naked, including the ninja 250. The formula is simple: #1: Take the plastic off. Duh. #2: Rig some lights. There are plenty of brackets that clamp on to fork tubes. There are assloads of lights out there. Make 'em fit and aim 'em right. #3: Raise the bars if you like. Convertibars, helibars, gen-mar risers and renthal dirtbike bars/kits. The ninja 250 might not need this as it is fairly upright. As for beginner bikes that are better? Not the blast, they have all sorts of problems. The ninja 500 is a longtime fav but I imagine it'll get a similar upgrade if the 250 does well. The suzuki gs500 is a nice standard. Any of the smaller enduros are great because they are upright, good torque but not crazy fast and let you have fun in the dirt as well.
11/23/07 3:02 AM
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I gotta go with the SV. Its a great bike to learn on. I race mine and love it. There is alot of shit you can do to them to make the sick. I love the feeling of running by I4's and 1000's on the track on my little old SV. I just crashed it last weekend, but it held up great. I swear these things are indestructable!
11/23/07 3:03 AM
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Check out the thread titled "my new race bike!" a few threads down.
11/23/07 9:04 AM
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Thanks guys! This gives me some good choices. The wise thing to do would be to NOT get the SV as my FIRST bike, but learn on something like the Ninja 250 or a dualsport like the DR200 that pm1964 mentioned above. THEN get an SV650 after a year or two. THEN one day lust after the BKING and save the pennies.
11/23/07 9:31 AM
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OMIGOSHOMIGOSHOMIGOSHOMIGOSH I just found this page about turning a Ninja 250 into a streetfighter! I just soiled my pants!
11/25/07 3:00 AM
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lmao Yeah but at the end of the day its STILL a Ninja 250... A chick BIKE!
11/25/07 1:37 PM
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I bought an SV for my first bike. Not the best choice but they are worser choices out there. Not a death wish either.. I'm selling mine right now for an I4. Im probably gonna bite the bullet and get a 1000, seeing as how there are some good local deals around here right now. I rode my friends R1 and just crave the roll on power...any gear, any speed..its addicting.
11/26/07 9:34 AM
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Anybody got $2600 they can spot me?
11/28/07 4:16 AM
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"bought an SV for my first bike. Not the best choice but they are worser choices out there. Not a death wish either.. I'm selling mine right now for an I4. Im probably gonna bite the bullet and get a 1000, seeing as how there are some good local deals around here right now. I rode my friends R1 and just crave the roll on power...any gear, any speed..its addicting. " LOL. As if the 600 I4 arent enough bike! More then the power of liter bikes, I love the feeling of smoking guys in coners when they are on big bikes and Im on my little SV. Priceless
11/28/07 5:02 PM
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Are there any after market mods to give the SV 650 a seat and rear fender more along the lines of the Ducati S2R?
12/4/07 11:08 AM
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The first pictures of Kawasaki's forthcoming 2008 Ninja 250 motorcycle are circulating on the internet - and we can reveal it's just one element of a whole new range of 250cc, four-stroke parallel twin motorcycles which Kawasaki is set to launch. As well as the sportsbike, there's set to be a naked Kawasaki ER250 and a Kawasaki Versys-style 250cc machine in the new line-up. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/September/sept10-16/sep13072008kawasaki250ccninjahitormiss/
12/4/07 11:13 AM
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taba thanks for the news story/link. Can't wait to see the new Kawasaki line.
9/15/08 12:47 AM
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speed triple is a fantastic bike
9/16/08 9:21 AM
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Yeah, but nothing to do with this thread. Why the sudden TTT on all the old bike threads? You working for triumph?
9/17/08 1:35 AM
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nah i just got one and i love that bike , just wanna share the love

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