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12/13/07 12:33 PM
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Cousin Eddie
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I'm not sure I do. How many of the guys named will be active players? What actual evidence will they have saying "this guy did these drugs in this time frame". Sounds like they're using a lot of information from this Mets clubhouse guy, and how reliable is that? And even if EVERYTHING the report says is 100% accurate, what next? Almost seems like this thing will cause more problems than it would solve. Discuss.
12/13/07 1:37 PM
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Here is a list that is not confirmed. Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi,
12/13/07 2:04 PM
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Dude, edit your post for when the list is confirmed so we don't have to discuss "maybes"
12/13/07 3:08 PM
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Taken from Bubblebass post: 'Here is the complete list as far as I can tell' Adam Piatt Adam Riggs Andy Pettite Barry Bonds Bart Miadich Benito Santiago Bobby Estalella Brandon Donnelly Brian Roberts Chad Allen Chris Donnels Chuck Knoblauch Cody Mckay Daniel Naulty Darren Holmes David Bell David Justice David Segui Denny Neagle Eric Gagne F.P. Santangello Fernando Vina Gary Bennett Jr. Gary Matthews, Jr. Gary Sheffield Glenallen Hill Greg Zaun Hal Morris Howie Clark Ismael Valdez Jack Cust Jason Christianson Jason Giambi Jason Grimsley Jason Grimsley Jay Gibbons Jeff Williams Jeremy Giambi Jerry Hairston Jr. Jim Parque John Rocker Jose Canseco Jose Guillen Josias Manzanillo Kent Mercker Kevin Brown Kevin Young Larry Bigbie Lenny Dysktra Mark Carreon Marvin Benard Matt Franco Matt Herges Matt Williams Miguel Tejada Mike Bell Mike Lansing Mike Stanton Mo Vaughn Nook Logan Paul Byrd Paul Lo Duca Phil Hiatt Randy Velarde Rick Ankiel Roger Clemens Ron Villone Rondell White Ryan Franklin Scott Schoeneweis Stephen Randolph Steve Woodard Tim Laker Todd Hundley Todd Pratt Todd Williams Troy Glaus
12/13/07 3:11 PM
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David Justice?!?! Say it aint so brother! Most of this list could have been compilied by anyone who follows baseball closely over the past 15-20 years. I mean, who didn't know that guys like Hundley and K Brown were juicing. I'm very disappointed in this list. Only a few minor surprises. What was the point in even putting this list out if you are not going to find out and name EVERYBODY? Pathetic.
12/13/07 3:35 PM
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Im glad Albert Pujols name was a false rumor.
12/13/07 4:13 PM
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Good thing Pujols did all his roids in the Dominican.
12/13/07 4:17 PM
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I care. Clemens is a huge deal.
12/13/07 5:20 PM
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Clemens IS a pretty big name to throw out there, but how shocking is that?? Him and Pettitte came up during the Jason Grimsley stuff last year. I just read the majority of the report, and I was surprised at how detailed it was regarding each individual player. I was more surprised by the lack of a few names one would expect to see than I was by the names that were there. Seriously, was anybody expecting to read a report of an 18-month investigation into steroids in baseball and NOT see Luis Gonzalez???
12/13/07 7:37 PM
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There is no way that this is a list that covers the full spectrum. I haven't read the report yet, but isn't this just a list they have from the suppliers that got busted? For every one that got busted, there has to be 5 that didn't. *love how no Red Sox show up on this report and a ton of Yankees do. I wonder if that has anything to do with Mitchell being on the Red Sox board? hmmmmm...I would say yes*
12/13/07 11:58 PM
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The vast majority of the information used in the report came from: a) a former Mets clubhouse attendant or b) a former Yankees strength coach/personal trainer The list named 77 current or former players. Thousands of guys have been on a major league roster since the first testing program in 2002. This is the tip of the iceberg, as far as naming names goes. As for the Red Sox connection, Mo Vaughn won MVP in 1995 with the Red Sox, and is mentioned. He's not the only one, but is the first one that came to mind. You can read the whole thing on espn.com
12/14/07 11:27 AM
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*love how no Red Sox show up on this report and a ton of Yankees do. I wonder if that has anything to do with Mitchell being on the Red Sox board? hmmmmm...I would say yes* I agree. In today's paper it said the Sox failed to offer arbitration to Brendan Donnelly (who subsequently ended up on the list)thus making him a free agent. This occured at 12:03 PM and the Mitchell Report came out at 2:00. Yeah, every team goes out and drops a solid veteran relief pitcher (.305 ERA) because they are so easy to find. This is not a knock on Boston, but rather MLB for allowing this conflict of interest to happen.
12/14/07 12:13 PM
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The Mitchell Report is pathetic and nothing more than slander. With all the money they spent on doing this report you would think that they would use something better than hearsay as evidence. This report should not have been presented until they were able to show a positive test for steroids. Innocent until proven guilty. We don't live in some 3rd world country. It is very scary that so many fans on internet boards (tsn, etc) are calling for severe punishments because some nobody suggested certain people are using steroids. I hope they are just a disgruntled minority and not a representation of our society.
12/14/07 12:51 PM
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"I agree. In today's paper it said the Sox failed to offer arbitration to Brendan Donnelly (who subsequently ended up on the list)thus making him a free agent. This occured at 12:03 PM and the Mitchell Report came out at 2:00. Yeah, every team goes out and drops a solid veteran relief pitcher (.305 ERA) because they are so easy to find. This is not a knock on Boston, but rather MLB for allowing this conflict of interest to happen." Why on Earth would they offer arbitration to Donnelly when he won't pitch this season because he had Tommy John surgery? Besides, the report talks about how the Red Sox knew before they acquired him (and Gagne) that he was probably a steroid/HGH user, so you can't make the case they released him because of the report. Over a dozen players with Red Sox ties (including two guys who were on the '07 team) were named. There was even a story about Paxton Crawford spilling a box of syringes in the Boston clubhouse. Not sure where you guys are getting "no Red Sox" mentioned in the document.
12/14/07 1:45 PM
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"Not sure where you guys are getting "no Red Sox" mentioned in the document." I made the statement after listening to sports radio yesterday, but after reading the report, there are a few.
12/15/07 3:07 PM
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Nobody on the OG cares because Bond's isn't the only star that is to be crucified.
12/16/07 7:47 AM
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"This occured at 12:03 PM and the Mitchell Report came out at 2:00. Yeah, every team goes out and drops a solid veteran relief pitcher (.305 ERA) because they are so easy to find. This is not a knock on Boston, but rather MLB for allowing this conflict of interest to happen." Listen. You can look at my posts on this subject and see that I agree the league should be upset about Mitchell doing this because of his Sox ties. Do you have any idea what in the hell you're talking about though? lol @ that
12/16/07 7:55 AM
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"Nobody on the OG cares because Bond's isn't the only star that is to be crucified" I get a kick out of this. 1) Nobody else on that list broke any long-cherished baseball records that are almost sacred to fans. That'd kind of limit back lash a bit, no? 2) Bonds admitted his use to a grand jury while very few people on that list so admitted anything. Again, none of those were tainting baseball with their numbers. 3) The biggest deal on that list was Roger Clemens. He had 9 pages of evidence against him; mainly just a single guy making accusations. Barry Bonds admitted use to a grand jury and has 100's of pages of documentation as evidence against him consisting of years of personal doping calendars, doping strategies, etc etc. By all means go after the guys on the list. To try to say there should be some equivalence between the reaction to a scrub and somebody trying to push themselves as baseball's greatest HR hitter is a bit ridiculous. Also to say that there is some kind of eqivalence between the evidence vs Bonds and the people on this list shows gross ignorance.
12/16/07 4:09 PM
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Pettitte put his buddy in a bit of a tough spotyesterday, huh? At least he had the sack to be forthcoming and explain why he did it and admit he was wrong. Not many other guys on that list will do the same thing, I don't think.
12/17/07 9:32 AM
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12/18/07 9:34 AM
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Not that it is shocking or anything, but Brian Roberts has admitted to using. No way! Couldn't see that a mile away.
12/18/07 1:32 PM
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Funny thing, Mitchell is 74 and has a 6 year old daughter. I assume there were no performance enhancing drugs used, eh George? Glass houses, stones, etc.
12/18/07 1:42 PM
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Viagra is illegal in the US and against the rules of conception?
12/19/07 11:49 PM
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The Mitchell Report is just the tip of iceberg. GUys were using roids in the late 80s. Three of friends roomed with Marty Cordova in college and Marty would roid up then and talked about how he did it in High School.
12/20/07 1:57 PM
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Heard a funny comparison on the radio the other day. "The Michell Report naming names is like naming 16 drug dealers in Los Angeles"

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