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1/10/08 9:51 PM
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I might be moving to WA state for work and the people in the office are into firearms. I currently live in NYC and while I have done some shooting, I'm not overly knowledgeable. I am set on getting a .45 caliber as it allows for both range shooting and self defense (hopefully never needed). Don't care about concealement, I could always get a very small .45 for any concealement/close in needs anyway... What would be a good .45 to purchase within the $500-$900 range?
1/11/08 11:52 AM
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1/12/08 2:17 AM
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It depends on the platform you want. If you want a 1911, stay away from Colt, they have zero QC these days. You'd be much better off with a Springfield Armory Milspec, or GI model in that price range. If you're looking at a more modern pistol design, you can get a Glock 21 or 21 SF (I carry a glock 21), or a Sig 220, etc. Do some digging on gun forums like thethighroad.org, glocktalk, sigtalk, a few others and see what everybody else has to say.
1/13/08 4:02 AM
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Lot of good choices in that price range. I own 2 1911's. Both Springfields. One is a full size fully loaded model (Thats what they call it) and the other is a micro compact GI. Full size 1911's are great. I am going to get the commander size next, the micro is OK but the commander handles better. Look at the XD, great gun. Lots of options Glock is a good name. What will you do with it? In the 1911 world there is a lot of good choices in that price range. Consider looking at Dan Wesson, they do a lotof custom work to it and they are rcognized as a top 1911, especially for the price. http://www.cz-usa.com/products_dan_wesson.php The Pointman Seven is a 5? series 70 style 1911 featuring a stainless steel frame and forged stainless steel slide. Like all Dan Wesson 1911s, Pointman models incorporate top quality parts from the best names in the industry ? Forged, one piece match grade barrel and bushing. ? Round top slide with Bo-Mar style adjustable target sight ? Hand polished flat surfaces with contrasting bead blasted rounds ? Flat, all steel 20-LPI checkered mainspring housing ? Front and rear cocking serrations ? Beveled magwell ? All sharp edges dehorned by hand ? Lowered and flared ejection port ? Hand polished feed ramp ? Ed Brown slide stop ? Ed Brown memory groove grip safety ? Tactical extended thumb safety ? One piece full length stainless guide rod ? Commander style match hammer ? Match grade sear ? Aluminum trigger with stainless bow ? Extended serrated magazine catch ? Wolff springs used exclusively ? Diamond checkered coco-bolo grips ? Tuned, machined, internal extractor ? Test fired for reliability ? 38 ounces unloaded The Dan Wesson is well known in the 1911 world and you will get good compliments on it. If you went with a Kimber, Springfield or one of many other great names you will not be dissaponted. But without going into someting like an expensive Les Baer its a great way to get into a top gun. http://www.impactguns.com/store/les_baer_1911_pistols.html
1/13/08 4:20 PM
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HI, Thanks for your advise. I would mainly go to the range with some of the co- workers that I know. I would also plan on taking classes on firearms and how to handle properly in different conditions. As I would not be carrying, concealement isn't much of an issue. I would treat the firearm training like I would my MA training. Learn proper mechanics and mind set. Train consistently. My choice of specifically a .45 is for the reasons mentioned above. OK for range and has some self defense capability, concealement not an issue. I can look at the difference in size and go with a more accurate longer barrel. The self-defense capability just has to be there ( I am into MA after all - it isn't real MA training if all the MA is take out...LOL)
1/14/08 12:13 PM
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I like my Colt, but LOVE my Para P14.
2/5/08 10:20 PM
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I love my Colt 1911 80 series 1911~~~and I shoot IPSC w/ it... all stock except a Magwell and new grips... but for my carry gun I use a Springfield XD .45...
2/5/08 11:59 PM
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i covet an HK45
2/6/08 4:32 PM
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I always recommend that people go to a range and try out as many platforms as possible to find what fits them. Having said that, I like the 1911 platform - fits my hands very well. But you should try others out before committing. my $.02 Rob
2/7/08 7:52 PM
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"Having said that, I like the 1911 platform - fits my hands very well." 1911's feel great but require a lot of work to be truely reliable -- I worry that I'll have to spend $3K just to have complete confidence in it.
2/8/08 7:27 AM
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I paid under 600 for my Springfield 1911. Shoot it alot (except right now since I am in Iraq) and never had a problem.
2/10/08 12:12 AM
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Is it 100% reliable with JHP? Did you fire a few hundred rounds of defensive ammo to confidence-test the gun? What brand? I've heard SA does make the most reliable 1911 out of the box.
2/11/08 3:22 PM
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Thank you - good information and issues to think about
2/25/08 9:56 AM
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HarryLime, There was a guy at the range with an HK45C. Nice gun indeed. I moved my USP .40 up to .45 this year. Very, very happy.
3/7/08 3:26 PM
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Oh yeah... +1 on the Mil-Spec. HELL of a base gun. Shoots fine out the box. You can upgrade the fire control parts when you get some more dough. I bought a full sized. Mods in order: 1. Wilson combat magazines - 20 bucks and a 6-pack for 5 via a guy at my local range. 2. Standard 1911 stuff (polishing of ramp, extractor tuning, ejector port flaring). 3. Night sights. 4. Checkering from Ned at M-Guns. This was 60-40... 60 precent sexy and 40 percent function. (scroll down to 'checkering alternatives') Melting would have been next, but I traded it. IMMEDIATE buyer's remorse. The value of the trade was good numerically, but I miss that gun more than anything. That said, a 1911 rocks because you can build a badass pistol JUST THE WAY YOU LIKE IT. Especially good if you can't afford to go the Les Baer route up front. :-)
3/7/08 7:44 PM
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I've considered picking up a SA Milspec, but I've also been lurking here: www.tacticalforums.com Some guys there are active Seals or consult for LE Agencies on ballistics. All of them are hardcore 1911 guys, but nearly every one them claims out-of-box 1911s can not be trusted to preform. Why spend $2500-3000 for a heavily customized gun when CZs, Sigs, HKs and Glocks are all 100% reliable and will kill people just fine?
3/7/08 11:43 PM
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What do different people consider performance? Out of the box for the majority of us the Springfield, Kimber, Dan Wesson... 1911 is great. I have had my Springfield 1911 for 7 years, I competed in IDPA, thousands of rounds.No issues, no modifications.
3/8/08 3:56 AM
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I dont think your going to have problems with any of the big names. I own a Glock 22 in .40, shoots great, reliable, light weight. But I dont like the width, the 1911 feels better, but I pay for it in weight. I reccomend the officer size. The average shootout last three rounds, so I dont need the 15 round magazine from the glock. (I live in America so I dont have to have a "need") But the 1911 is a 8 round magazine, 1 in the chamber. feels great, shoots naturally. Very reliable at about 600.00 No matter what product is out there, somone will always need to modify it. Cars, motorcycles, guns...
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"Why spend $2500-3000 for a heavily customized gun when CZs, Sigs, HKs and Glocks are all 100% reliable and will kill people just fine?" You just answered the question. Customization. Anyone who has read any of my posts knows that I'm a teutonic bigot. HK fanboy to the HILT. But.. I don't like the HK trigger as much as the one on my 1911's. I also wish I had better checkering options. Granted, the P2000 and new USP 45 address that problem, but I love the feel and customization of a 1911. And again, money is sometimes a factor. I have a few expensive hobbies that sometimes get in the way, so I have to be smart. With that 1911, I can build EXACTLY what I want over time... Years if need be. But Dark Knight is right. Any of the good ones will do you right. It's all about what feels right for you. (Like an HK) :)
3/8/08 3:07 PM
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Hmm . . . I was going to upgrade to a Sig P226, but maybe when I get bonused I'll spring for one of these: https://shop.cylinder-slide.com/ccp51/cgi-bin/cp-app.pl? usr=51F1696166&rnd=8239&rrc=N&affl=&cip=76.104.138.139&act=&a ff=&pg=prod&ref=CSP800&cat=8&catstr=HOME:8 I've heard Cylinder & Side does great work building up combat reliable 1911s.
7/24/08 8:15 AM
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UPDATE:

In a three way trade involving guns, cash and a blow-up doll, I traded my shotgun and cash for a USP Tactical...AND my USP compact for a Colt Defender. WOn't get the defender until Friday or Monday, but I'm going to customize that thing to drop weight and make a perfect CCW gun (as if it already isn't). I'll post pics when it arrives.

But I posted this because the allure of customization trumped my love for HK... AND because I may make a thread out of the customization process...
7/24/08 10:24 PM
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cool . . . I've heard the 'dimple throat' feed ramp on new Colts has them running reliably with all ammo at any barrel length.

I'm very tempted . . .
9/17/08 8:08 PM
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<-- My vote would have to go to the 1911 also. Hence my name!

I love Springfield Armory products, I have a Springfield 1911 Full size loaded. I have also shot a few XD's I like those alot too. I think Springfield 1911 are a great value, sure there are better ones out there, but they are alot more $$$. And the cheaper ones are not as nice. The mil-spec is nice because it has that old school look and feel but has a few upgrades on the inside. The main reason I went with the loaded was because I wanted the Black Stainless Combat one, and I also wanted the better sights.
10/1/08 1:23 AM
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My Smith and Wesson 1911 is awesome. I have a Glock in 9mm; I've heard their new single stack .45s are really good as well.
10/3/08 5:44 PM
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i love my sig p220 and my kimber custom carry both are great guns

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