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3/21/08 2:19 PM
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LOL @ all of this. I love this election year! I will vote for him if he promises to start every speech with.. CAN YOU SMEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL WHAT BARACK IS COOKIN!
3/21/08 2:24 PM
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pat buchanan has had it out for obama from the beginning. i've been listening to his conservative spin on barack on msnbc for months and it's been outlandish. he, like the rest of the republicans who want to win in november, is afraid of barack obama.
3/21/08 2:25 PM
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yeah, because the sum total of the differentiation between african american culture and white culture is exemplified in the icy hot stuntaz and misguided or racist political opportunists.
3/21/08 2:26 PM
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they WERE afraid. now they see blood and are going in for the kill.
3/21/08 2:32 PM
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"chinaman isnt racist if one doesnt know the history of it, imo." - Your opinion is wrong. Chinaman = racist term. But I will give you some points for the Big Lebowski reference. ;o)
3/21/08 2:34 PM
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it's like cheney and intell reports..  see what i want to see
3/21/08 2:36 PM
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The Chinaman is not the issue here, dude!
3/21/08 2:37 PM
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"he, like the rest of the republicans who want to win in november, is afraid of barack obama." It is widely believed by just about everyone (not just Republicans) that Obama is a more difficult match-up for McCain than Clinton. You seem to be under the impression that Buchanan favors McCain, though. His magazine (American Conservative) savages McCain monthly.
3/21/08 2:41 PM
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BTW, here's some nice "venom" spewed by Mr. Buchanan himself: We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America.
-- Pat Buchanan, campaign address at an anti-gay rally in Des Moines, Iowa, February 11, 1996 Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.
-- Pat Buchanan, speaking before the Christian Coalition in 1993, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" Gay rights activists seek to substitute, for laws rooted in JudeoChristian morality, laws rooted in the secular humanist belief that all consensual sexual acts are morally equal. That belief is anti-biblical and amoral; to codify it into law is to codify a lie.
-- Pat Buchanan, Wall Street Journal, January 21, 1993, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" The poor homosexuals -- they have declared war upon nature, and now nature is extracting an awful retribution.
-- Pat Buchanan, discussing AIDS in 1983, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" With 80,000 dead of AIDS, our promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide.
-- Pat Buchanan, in his syndicated column, October 17, 1990, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" AIDS is nature's retribution for violating the laws of nature.
-- Pat Buchanan, during his 1992 presidential campaign, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The "negroes" of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours.
-- Pat Buchanan, when discussing race relations in the 1950s, in Right from the Beginning, Buchanan's 1988 autobiography, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" [For President Nixon to visit King's widow on the anniversary of King's assassination because it would] outrage many, many people who believe Dr. King was a fraud and a demagogue and perhaps worse.... Others consider him the Devil incarnate. Dr. King is one of the most divisive men in contemporary history.
-- Pat Buchanan, while working as a White House adviser to Nixon, reported in the New York Daily News, October 1, 1990, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" Take a hard look at [KKK leader David] Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks.
-- Pat Buchanan, February 25, 1989, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" There is nothing wrong with us sitting down and arguing that issue that we are a European country.
-- Pat Buchanan, Newsday, November 15, 1992, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" [Despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was] an individual of great courage.... Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path.
-- Pat Buchanan, in a 1977 column, The Guardian, January 14, 1992, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody.
-- Pat Buchanan, expressing his revisionist views, challenging the fact that diesel exhaust was used to gas thousands of Jews at Treblinka, and discussing "group fantasies of martyrdom" in The New Republic, October 22, 1990, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" It's running down 70-year-old camp guards.
-- Pat Buchanan, in The New York Times, discussing his attempts at closing down the US Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations (which was in charge of prosecuting Nazi war criminals) April 21, 1987, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" Rail as they will about "discrimination," women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism.
-- Pat Buchanan, November 22, 1983, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" The real liberators of American women were not the feminist noise-makers, they were the automobile, the supermarket, the shopping center, the dishwasher, the washer-dryer, the freezer.
-- Pat Buchanan, Right from the Beginning, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell" If a woman has come to believe that divorce is the answer to every difficult marriage, that career comes before children ... no democratic government can impose another set of values upon her.
-- Pat Buchanan, Right from the Beginning, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell"
3/21/08 2:42 PM
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LOL @ crying about the past like a woman holding a grudge. Cry me a river you whiney little bitch. How much of a head start have the Cubans, South Koreans, Columbians gotten? Most came with nothing and have done fine in one to two generations. That's a fact. Socialist have no true interest in the poor black community and certainly don't see them as equals. They simply want to keep them as voters at all costs, including running their communitites into the shitter, as evidenced by the past 40 years. FACT, EAT MY PUMP.
3/21/08 3:10 PM
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You do realize that there are black people that have done just as well as your vietnamese friend, right? That is not the issue. The issue here is slavery, oppression and then people claiming that one generation, just one, of borderline equal treatment changes everything and now we are all on the same page.
3/21/08 3:15 PM
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"And blacks can not realistically expect whites to forgive Rev. Wright's ignorance because he is angry." True. Yet we are expected to forgive the police for racial profiling. We are expected to accept the way that minorities are jailed in comparison to whites. The war on drugs is a race war but we are supposed to be cool with that. Plus, I don't see how Rev Wrights statements are all that much worse than Pat B's or many of the statements some of you guys make.
3/21/08 3:17 PM
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"The issue here is slavery, oppression and then people claiming that one generation, just one, of borderline equal treatment changes everything and now we are all on the same page." One is not enough. OK, got it. So, what exactly does the "white community" need to do for the "black community" and how long? How long do whites who had no involvement in slavery, may not have a discriminatory bone in their body, and whose ancestors may not have even been in the country at the time, be liable? Since one generation is not enough, please propose a number of generations and a plan of action. Or how about we just deal with "poor" and "not poor" and leave race out of it? Would that be possible?
3/21/08 3:22 PM
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Why do people keep trying to bring other races into this?? It's not fair1 Those other races never had great great great grand parents that were slaves! they did not grow up under harsh governments with laws created to keep them down. They have all bee embraced with open arms and the chance that blacks in America could never have!! I mean what can a black person in the US hope for?? It's not like they could ever run for President!
3/21/08 3:25 PM
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I think Pat has some valid points. You just have to understand where he is coming from.
3/21/08 3:28 PM
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"Why do people keep trying to bring other races into this?? It's not fair1 Those other races never had great great great grand parents that were slaves!" I know you are being sarcastic, but this (minus a few "greats") is actually a very relevant point. There's a difference between coming to this country poor and working your way up in a couple generations, and living in this country with a 300-year history of slavery and oppression around you like a cloud. It's hard to put yourself in that perspective, which is exactly why it's so easy for people not to bother to try.
3/21/08 3:28 PM
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CiC, I would hope that you agree that there still might be residual racism after only one generation, especially considering that it wasn't exactly a unanimous decision throughout the country. That doesn't absolve the black community from needing to take responsibility for itself, but it wasn't as if a switch was turned and *poof* there was no more discrimination.
3/21/08 3:31 PM
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Oh, I think it's pretty obvious where Pat Buchanon is coming from.
3/21/08 3:35 PM
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"CiC, I would hope that you agree that there still might be residual racism after only one generation, especially considering that it wasn't exactly a unanimous decision throughout the country. That doesn't absolve the black community from needing to take responsibility for itself, but it wasn't as if a switch was turned and *poof* there was no more discrimination." I agree that not only might there be, but that there are without doubt. I'm just trying to unfog the racial obligations that seem to be implied here. What are they? What exactly do they consist of? From whom to whom? And for exactly how long?
3/21/08 3:41 PM
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I stopped reading after "brought them Christian salvation".....
3/21/08 3:47 PM
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Pat has some valid points. He often does. But he twists other people's words into whatever the fuck he wants. He is as low as a Goebbels or the Soviets - not that I equate him with those asswipes politically or in his views, but he distorts everything as he sees fit. He's scum. Take this: he takes a point of view many share in part or in full, and present it as an actual reply to Obama's speech, which it isnt, and put in Obama's mouth the opposite point of view in a way which we are supposed to beleive are his.
3/21/08 3:50 PM
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CiC, I don't know that whites need to do anything other than stop saying everything is cool and blacks are just a fucked up race. Truth be told, the problems that exist in the black community mostly have to be fixed by blacks. Really, whites can do 2 things: Vote for people that will not enforce drug laws selectively and vote for people that will try to get some sort of parity in our school systems. Cadillac, you might want to research drug use among whites and then check and see how many blacks are in jail for drug crimes as opposed to whites. Then you can either STFU of apologize. Your choice.
3/21/08 3:51 PM
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"He is as low as a Goebbels or the Soviets" Just a little sense of proportion here, please. Sheesh.
3/21/08 3:52 PM
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Buchanan didn't actually read or listen to Obama's speech. It was pretty balanced and held blacks accountable. The racism that is really going on here is that Obama is being held to higher standard than McCain (supported by Falwell and Robertson, both of whom have said = or worse things). Buchanan needs to ask himself why these distortions in race relations are occurring. It is because Whites have never attempted to REALLY level the playing field between the privileged and disadvantaged. This has been reinforced by a psychological downward spiral. Our society has been, and is becoming a more aristocratic/oligarchical polity with each passing day. You can't chalk black crime up to 'accountability' when the ghosts of the past have never been put to rest. The civil rights movement happened because Blacks stood up and made it happen. The corresponding effort has never been made by the ruling class in this country as it has in other countries.
3/21/08 3:59 PM
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"There's a difference between coming to this country poor and working your way up in a couple generations, and living in this country with a 300-year history of slavery and oppression around you like a cloud. It's hard to put yourself in that perspective, which is exactly why it's so easy for people not to bother to try." It is? Any group could wrap themselves in the same excuse. Jews could argue it's difficult to attain success with the Holocaust hanging aroud you like a cloud, the Irish could bring up their own depredations, famines and oppressions, invasions and poverty; pretty much every group could. Gays could say it's impossible to do well because of discrimination agains earlier gays. But OK, let's give it to you. The question then becomes, when does it end? What can we do to stop it so that we can just be satisfied start treating any black person normally like we would any other citizen?

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