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3/24/08 6:06 AM
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Joe Ray
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The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush The next president will have to deal with yet another crippling legacy of George W. Bush: the economy. A Nobel laureate, Joseph E. Stiglitz, sees a generation-long struggle to recoup. by Joseph E. Stiglitz December 2007 When we look back someday at the catastrophe that was the Bush administration, we will think of many things: the tragedy of the Iraq war, the shame of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib, the erosion of civil liberties. The damage done to the American economy does not make front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page. I can hear an irritated counterthrust already. The president has not driven the United States into a recession during his almost seven years in office. Unemployment stands at a respectable 4.6 percent. Well, fine. But the other side of the ledger groans with distress: a tax code that has become hideously biased in favor of the rich; a national debt that will probably have grown 70 percent by the time this president leaves Washington; a swelling cascade of mortgage defaults; a record near-$850 billion trade deficit; oil prices that are higher than they have ever been; and a dollar so weak that for an American to buy a cup of coffee in London or Paris--or even the Yukon--becomes a venture in high finance. And it gets worse. After almost seven years of this president, the United States is less prepared than ever to face the future. We have not been educating enough engineers and scientists, people with the skills we will need to compete with China and India. We have not been investing in the kinds of basic research that made us the technological powerhouse of the late 20th century. And although the president now understands--or so he says--that we must begin to wean ourselves from oil and coal, we have on his watch become more deeply dependent on both. Up to now, the conventional wisdom has been that Herbert Hoover, whose policies aggravated the Great Depression, is the odds-on claimant for the mantle "worst president" when it comes to stewardship of the American economy. Once Franklin Roosevelt assumed office and reversed Hoover's policies, the country began to recover. The economic effects of Bush's presidency are more insidious than those of Hoover, harder to reverse, and likely to be longer-lasting. There is no threat of America's being displaced from its position as the world's richest economy. But our grandchildren will still be living with, and struggling with, the economic consequences of Mr. Bush. Remember the Surplus? The world was a very different place, economically speaking, when George W. Bush took office, in January 2001. During the Roaring 90s, many had believed that the Internet would transform everything. Productivity gains, which had averaged about 1.5 percent a year from the early 1970s through the early 90s, now approached 3 percent. During Bill Clinton's second term, gains in manufacturing productivity sometimes even surpassed 6 percent. The Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan, spoke of a New Economy marked by continued productivity gains as the Internet buried the old ways of doing business. Others went so far as to predict an end to the business cycle. Greenspan worried aloud about how he'd ever be able to manage monetary policy once the nation's debt was fully paid off. This tremendous confidence took the Dow Jones index higher and higher. The rich did well, but so did the not-so-rich and even the downright poor. The Clinton years were not an economic Nirvana; as chairman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers during part of this time, I'm all too aware of mistakes and lost opportunities. The global-trade agreements we pushed through were often unfair to developing countries. We should have invested more in infrastructure, tightened regulation of the securities markets, and taken additional steps to promote energy conservation. We fell short because of politics and lack of money--and also, frankly, because special interests sometimes shaped the agenda more than they should have. But these boom years were the first time since Jimmy Carter that the deficit was under control. And they were the first time since the 1970s that incomes at the bottom grew faster than those at the top--a benchmark worth celebrating. By the time George W. Bush was sworn in, parts of this bright picture had begun to dim. The tech boom was over. The nasdaq fell 15 percent in the single month of April 2000, and no one knew for sure what effect the collapse of the Internet bubble would have on the real economy. It was a moment ripe for Keynesian economics, a time to prime the pump by spending more money on education, technology, and infrastructure--all of which America desperately needed, and still does, but which the Clinton administration had postponed in its relentless drive to eliminate the deficit. Bill Clinton had left President Bush in an ideal position to pursue such policies. Remember the presidential debates in 2000 between Al Gore and George Bush, and how the two men argued over how to spend America's anticipated $2.2 trillion budget surplus? The country could well have afforded to ramp up domestic investment in key areas. In fact, doing so would have staved off recession in the short run while spurring growth in the long run. But the Bush administration had its own ideas. The first major economic initiative pursued by the president was a massive tax cut for the rich, enacted in June of 2001. Those with incomes over a million got a tax cut of $18,000--more than 30 times larger than the cut received by the average American. The inequities were compounded by a second tax cut, in 2003, this one skewed even more heavily toward the rich. Together these tax cuts, when fully implemented and if made permanent, mean that in 2012 the average reduction for an American in the bottom 20 percent will be a scant $45, while those with incomes of more than $1 million will see their tax bills reduced by an average of $162,000. .......lots lots more..... http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712
3/24/08 6:07 AM
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Has any US president exhibited worse management of the economy than George Bush?
3/24/08 6:26 AM
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lol, Stiglitz is such a fucking liar. "Once Franklin Roosevelt assumed office and reversed Hoover's policies," so why did the economy not actually start coming out of the Depression until 1940 and military preparations for WW2 began?
3/24/08 7:07 AM
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b/c that doesn't fit his argument!!!
3/24/08 7:16 AM
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"Has any US president exhibited worse management of the economy than George Bush? " Jimmy Carter is a recent example.
3/24/08 7:30 AM
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It seems leaders with the initials GB don't have much luck with running economies.
3/24/08 8:48 AM
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"Once Franklin Roosevelt assumed office and reversed Hoover's policies, the country began to recover." FDR not only prolonged the great depression. he made it worse.
3/24/08 8:54 AM
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You guys are fucked, and badly. You had a great president in Bill, and opted for possibly the worst president ever in Bush.
3/24/08 9:00 AM
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Great is not the word that I would use to describe Clinton. He was wildly sucessful with economic policies because the republican led congress pushed those policies. Examples NAFTA, despite what the new Clinton claims, is good for the country. Other example, balenced budget. The Republicans forced that one. I would describe Clinton as "fair". He talked a good socialist game, but when it came to his administration, he ruled a little more to the right than he and his supporters would have you believe. Three worst presidents as far as economic policy in the following order: 1) Hoover; 2) Carter; 3) GWB. 3 way tie for best president ever: George Washington, Franklin Roosevelt; Ronald Regan.
3/24/08 9:05 AM
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"He was wildly sucessful with economic policies because the republican led congress pushed those policies" This is very strange isn't it? The Republicans are in charge for most of the 7 years since Clinton, but what has happened? LOL. Instead of giving tax breaks for the uber rich, should have spend more money on education.
3/24/08 9:10 AM
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"This is very strange isn't it? The Republicans are in charge for most of the 7 years since Clinton, but what has happened?" They backed a war that has fucked the country up big time. That's a somewhat isolated event that hardly suggests that the dems are better with the economy. The last time the dems had true unilateral control (Carter) the current situation would ave been a huge improvement.
3/24/08 9:12 AM
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At least with Carter, you wouldn't have had the Iraq war. Jimmy, lol. Inept. 9/11 most of the terrorist came from Saudi Arabia, a state that harbours and supports terrorists in semi-discrete manner.
3/24/08 9:26 AM
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Nail in the coffin: "Meanwhile, we have become dependent on other nations for the financing of our own debt. Today, China alone holds more than $1 trillion in public and private American I.O.U.?s. Cumulative borrowing from abroad during the six years of the Bush administration amounts to some $5 trillion. Most likely these creditors will not call in their loans?if they ever did, there would be a global financial crisis. But there is something bizarre and troubling about the richest country in the world not being able to live even remotely within its means."
3/24/08 9:29 AM
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Nope Jimmy Carter's mess was cleaned up far easier that Bush's will be.....Bush has created a far worse mess.
3/24/08 9:36 AM
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marines1 is getting fucked in the ass by GWB and he likes, no loves it.
3/24/08 9:54 AM
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Some people are very easily conned and used as tools
3/24/08 10:47 AM
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"Marines1 is doing fine, my 401 is much higher then under Clinton. My pay is higher, quality of life better under Bush." that normally happens when you go from military to private section.. and especially if you got out as private
3/24/08 12:08 PM
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FDR = bad president = GWB = everything is fine Easy logic no need to review history or read the article. + once the education system is re-set, there will be no cold assesment of GWB's presidency.
3/24/08 12:15 PM
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Oddly, my 401k is also doing better now than in the last few years of Clinton's term.

But I'd like to think it's the company we have our 401k with more than anything.
3/24/08 12:23 PM
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"Meanwhile, we have become dependent on other nations for the financing of our own debt. Today, China alone holds more than $1 trillion in public and private American I.O.U.?s. Cumulative borrowing from abroad during the six years of the Bush administration amounts to some $5 trillion. Most likely these creditors will not call in their loans?if they ever did, there would be a global financial crisis. But there is something bizarre and troubling about the richest country in the world not being able to live even remotely within its means." LOL-A lot of economics geniuses around here. Treasuries are not callable or putable. Foreign governments have always been the largest holders of US Treasury debt. In the 80's the Japanese held huge amounts. Now it is China, etc. IT MEANS NOTHING. Get over it. The only thing that could happen is that they decide to sell. And if they do, depending on market conditions, someone else will happily buy them from them at either lower prices or higher prices. They are the most liquid securites in the world.
3/24/08 12:25 PM
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^ and that will never change !
3/24/08 12:59 PM
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^Bush Jr bettered Bush Sr.

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