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4/6/08 4:52 AM
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Did a search, and couldnt find anything. So let's talk about him. This dude was a beast way ahead of his time.

Is his work still relevant today?
4/8/08 2:43 AM
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baxter stockman
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not particularly, no.

he fell largely out of favor in the mid-20th. i have a copy of "on liberty" where the guy in the foreword of mill's greatest work tears him a new asshole. 

4/8/08 2:44 AM
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btw, you'd probably find rousseau more compelling.
4/8/08 10:19 PM
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I love JSM. Many backward-looking IQ evaluations place him as the smartest person of all time (estimates are between 270 and 300).

These days, look up Fred Feldman for good modern utilitarianism and hedonism.

Great stuff.
5/12/08 6:40 AM
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 Rationalist extraordinaire. I love him.

5/30/08 12:43 AM
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He is still applicable in political theory.

His concept of the tyranny of public opinion was picked up by noted authors like Foucault. His idea of the marketplace of ideas is the basis for liberalist legal theory.
5/30/08 10:11 AM
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in political science, that's geneally taught under the umbrella of"tyranny of the majority" vs "tyranny of the minority". those having been key to both mill's on liberty and rousseau's social contract, which was heavily influential to the federalists. you'll remember "publius" and the federalst papers.

iirc, and i probably don't, federalist 10 and 51 are the ones with the most argument for "faction" and their, imo, genius logistics, public opinon being one such faction.

7/22/08 12:27 AM
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twinkletoesCT - I love JSM. Many backward-looking IQ evaluations place him as the smartest person of all time (estimates are between 270 and 300).

These days, look up Fred Feldman for good modern utilitarianism and hedonism.

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I've never heard of Mill having been determined to have had an IQ that high. I've usually seen him placed slightly behind Wittgenstein, who is usually listed at 190 - 200.

Where'd you read 270 - 300? It really seems like an absurd estimate.
7/22/08 2:45 AM
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 in the tractatus logico philosophicus, wittgenstein said more than mill and with 1/5 the material.

i think that counts for something...
8/10/08 11:54 PM
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He was ahead of his time and made major contributions to philosophy, and governmental theory. I don't see how dissing him based on where we have progressed, is fair.
8/28/08 10:06 PM
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IIRC, a big part of Mill's estimate was because he could read and write in multiple languages by age 4.
8/28/08 11:51 PM
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Funny story about Mill. As a child he figured out that a musical song could only be a finite length, and that there were only so many notes that could be played in only so many variations. This lead him to the conclusion that at some point every possible musical composition would have been written and there would no more songs. He got depressed and cried.

This was over 100 years before the Beatles.

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