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4/20/08 3:05 AM
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is not looking good at all. Do they train with the gi, or just do sub-wrasslin? They seem to be stymied by good gi grapplers lately. Lindland getting subbed by Fedor. Sonnen getting armbarred by Filho. Sokoudju getting choked by Machida. Herman put to sleep by Maia, and of course Henderson getting strangled by The Spider. It appears that gi training does offer something.
4/20/08 3:07 AM
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Lindland has subbed blackbelts.
4/20/08 3:18 AM
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Ray Jackson - Matt Lindland told me once, "I've never trained Jiu-Jitsu. I train what works."
That's a direct quote.

I think that's the problem. They don't train BJJ, they add some subs to their wrestling. That's why sub specialists like Mcdonald, Maia, and Silva's crew seem to be eating their lunch! Their game is loose, reflecting the no-gi style. Also they seem unfamilar with the types of positions that a good Bjj'er may put them in...
4/20/08 3:31 AM
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donttazemebro - Lindland has subbed blackbelts.

Travis Lutter doesn't seem to be much of a trophy given his recent performances. Fabio Leopoldo was in only his third MMA fight back when they fought. I do agree that Lindland seems to have upped his game somewhat since Bustamante beat him.
4/20/08 3:44 AM
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they have 2 blackbelts in their california branch i think.vinicius maglahaes is one.and i think mayhem still trains there.
4/20/08 3:47 AM
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eljamaiquino - is not looking good at all. Do they train with the gi, or just do sub-wrasslin? They seem to be stymied by good gi grapplers lately. Lindland getting subbed by Fedor. Sonnen getting armbarred by Filho. Sokoudju getting choked by Machida. Herman put to sleep by Maia, and of course Henderson getting strangled by The Spider. It appears that gi training does offer something.


Yeah, because training gi will improve your RNC defense. *cough* noob *cough*
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Evolution Combat Club, el presidente

 not for nothin',but being subbed by fedor,filho,machida or maia does not necessarily mean your BJJ sucks,those guys are monsters on the mat, no shame in that.....

4/20/08 3:57 AM
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troll thread.
4/20/08 4:10 AM
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pats0 - eljamaiquino - is not looking good at all. Do they train with the gi, or just do sub-wrasslin? They seem to be stymied by good gi grapplers lately. Lindland getting subbed by Fedor. Sonnen getting armbarred by Filho. Sokoudju getting choked by Machida. Herman put to sleep by Maia, and of course Henderson getting strangled by The Spider. It appears that gi training does offer something.Yeah, because training gi will improve your RNC defense. *cough* noob *cough*

Look at how Rich Franklin stopped Lutter from getting his hooks in. Henderson has been stopped by only gi grapplers. It's the common denominator.
4/20/08 4:13 AM
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evomma - not for nothin',but being subbed by fedor,filho,machida or maia does not necessarily mean your BJJ sucks,those guys are monsters on the mat, no shame in that.....

very true. The guys who beat them are all black belts. Now in a time when the majority of UFC champs are BJJ black belts, how far can a guy who doesn't train BJJ go? If 3 out of 5 ufc champs were great wrestlers, wouldn't you go train some wrestling to be better prepared?
4/20/08 4:46 AM
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I think that's one of the reasons Quarry left. He requested some specialty coaches (BJJ & MT), and Lindland basically told him, "to got to hell". Then acused him of thinking he was better than everyone else.
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I hate "Ear Biting" Lindland
4/20/08 12:45 PM
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Team Quest is becoming second tier .. truth be told.
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I'm pretty sure Lindland has been in talks with some good BJJ black belts about training.
4/20/08 1:01 PM
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"It appears that gi training does offer something."

It didnt last night when Mac choked Bocek to sleep
4/20/08 1:08 PM
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Bocek hung in there a long time though. Just look at how Danzig has subbed other black belts much faster. I think you have to be good at two of the three facets of MMA to be a contender nowadays. Bocek's BJJ is great but his wrestling and striking need work. Danzig's weakness is going to be good striking and wrestling. I don't think trying to sub him is a good gameplan.
4/20/08 1:20 PM
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Bocek has above average wrestling for a BJJ blackbelt. Watch his other fights

No offense but you seem to be making an awful lot of excuses in order to make your argument make sense

Whenever wrestler/no gi guys taps a gi bjj blackbelt you make up an excuse as to why it happened

but when vice versa happens. Its obvious its a glaring weakness in their game
4/20/08 1:34 PM
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Linland bustamante+two taps one fight.

Team quest trains no gi grappling and do bjj bj penn was there showing techniques and training with randy and Matt,

I think the bjj coach is a matt thornton guy if i remember correctly
4/20/08 1:46 PM
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"Whenever wrestler/no gi guys taps a gi bjj blackbelt you make up an excuse as to why it happened"

What does Danzig's win have to do with Team Quest? That's an unrelated example. Mac doesn't train with Team Quest, he trains with Couture who has Robert Drysdale teaching his members. Couture's BJJ teacher is well known. We have yet to hear about who teaches Team Quest's BJJ, and they have been subbed in a row recently.
4/20/08 1:51 PM
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rob follis wasthe bjj teacher when i wasout there
4/20/08 1:55 PM
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 For a long time, we relied only on inhouse knowledge from the current coaches + whetever the many guests would bring in when they passed through + whatever we would pick up individually when we trained elsewhere and brought it back to the room. This can work extremely well and you can go pretty far doing it. The sport evolves and fighters evolve and so do we.

Nowadays we are proud to have a resident BJJ Blackbelt in Fabiano Pega-leve who despite being a heavyweight, is a good training partner and coach. Fabiano will likely head a new Gi jits class at TQ.

As for the losses stated above, I don't think excuses need to be made for them. At this level of the game, every fight is a tough fight and every fighter is evolving in his own career as well.

The situation with Nate was frustrating for me as his friend and as his former teammate. However, despite changing teams and his disagreements with TQ management I still consider him a friend and find time to train with him whenever possible. I don't care for BS politics or grudges.

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You were talking about how gi training offers benefits. Not about wether they train BJJ or not. Of course they train BJJ

Dan Henderson and his gym train with Vinicius Magalhaes who is a royler blackbelt and three time world champ

Lindlands camp has a Royce/Caique blackbelt teaching

I dont think Mac trains at Xtreme Couture. He lives in california. He used to be with R1 and now with Legends iirc
4/20/08 2:09 PM
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Diego, Mac has been at Team Couture since before the Speer fight.

http://www.macdanzig.net/

http://www.ifl.tv/News-07Dec08-Hieron-Xtreme-Couture-Training.html

When Ultimate Fighter contestant Mac Danzig was in need of some good training partners to prepare for Saturday night’s finale fight with Tommy Speer, he knew right where to go: Xtreme Couture in Las Vegas.

That’s where he found some of the best fighters in the world to train with, and one of his main sparring partners became IFL welterweight contender Jay Hieron.

Mac has relocated to Las Vegas, Nevada and joined the Xtreme Couture fight team full-time, in preparation for his April 19th fight against Mark Bocek at UFC 83, as well as all future fights.


Fight4real, thanks for the answer. I guess that answers most everything.

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