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4/29/08 1:45 AM
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Joe Maffei
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Edited: Apr 29 2008 12:00A
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Suggested use in the matter of deadly force.

Equipment: primary sidearm Sig P – 229, 40cal with holster

Back up: Smith & Wesson air weight revolver enclosed hammer 38 cal +P with custom ankle rig

Primary edged weapon custom 5 ½ double edged black epoxy blade with mated kydex shealth and shoulder harness, with additional secondary 3 ½ Ka-bar TDI blade

Objective: to protect your primary sidearm, simultaneously preventing the attacker access to his sidearm, while defending punches and finishing holds, chokes, armbars etc, while underneath the mounted position

1. The Bump & smother: Borrowed from BJJ, bump or upa your attacker forward forcing him to post with his hands, now wrap your arms around his waist covering his duty belt and sidearm with a tight body lock securing his sidearm. Continue bumping and rocking creating a struggle. This struggle is common to the experienced BJJ/MMA fighter and is viewed as non threatening and is a common reaction of a beginner fighter. This is exactly what we want the experienced attacker to feel and believe. Through the conditioning of the experienced attacker the notion to dismount is little to none he will maintain and base for his opportunity to attack.

2. The double pump: Continue the tight body lock and forcing the struggle, momentarily let go and follow the contour of your leg and grab your pants above the knee and straighten your leg exposing the ankle rig. ( the rig should be worn on the weak side, butt forward Calvary style.) resume the body lock and struggle. When you feel comfortable repeat, following the contour of your leg, this time continue and grab the butt of the gun, extend the leg again deploying the gun and continue the body lock and the struggle while holding the gun. At this point the attacker has no idea the firearm has been deployed, because it was done behind his back and during the struggle.

3. The gun is now deployed, at this time you can wait until the attacker sits up to bring the firearm to your chest, elbows tight to your sides and secure a double hand grip, while pointing the barrel to the desired target. Or, if the attacker is heavy on your chest or you sense he is wearing body armor, you can slide the barrel into the armpit ready for discharge. ( note: at times the attacker may see and grab the revolver prior to discharge. Simply rotate your hand counter clockwise turning the chamber in his hand and he will cause the discharge.

This entire process should take no more then 10 to 15 seconds from start to discharge and can used with an edged weapon as well and should be practiced during live MMA sparring with Airsoft or shock knife.

The goal is not to escape from under the mount, but to terminate the attacker where he sits. This is contrary to 99% of all the trained fighters today and gives the specialist the upper hand when fighting an experienced fighter who believers he is in dominant position when maintaining the mount.

Joe Maffei

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4/29/08 9:09 AM
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Edited: Apr 29 2008 12:00A
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This all assumes that the attacker is unarmed or does not think to attack your eyes in order to clear his weapon. I think the answer is not in specific techniques such as the one you have described but in realistic training that teaches the nature of hand-to-hand combat with weapons. You are probably not familiar but grappling with weapons is a focus of MACP. All I have to do is say "Grappling with electricity" all all of the MACP instructors on the board will know what I am talking about.
4/29/08 10:01 AM
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Joe Maffei
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MMANIJA the way it is trainid is in a live MMA fight with resisting advanced fighters, both armed with airsoft/simunition and/or shock knife. This is a simple example of the system and should not be viewed as a single techmique. But thanks for your imput.
4/29/08 10:37 AM
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Edited: Apr 29 2008 12:00A
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Joe,

It sounds like you are doing the same things that we are.
4/29/08 11:31 AM
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Well for sure we have the same mind set. I have been in a little dialogue with a few of the guys. it is always good to get different views, because what one guy might not see the other guy might.
But one thing is certain, the learning is going in the right direction.

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