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5/7/08 1:45 PM
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Bush would get the Muslim vote for Obama. Nobody has done more for the Muslim extremists than Bush in the last 6 years.
5/7/08 2:15 PM
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jason hornbuckle - "It's definitely over. She'd need 84% of votes in the remaining states. No one's even come close to that in any single state this primary. "



why do people keep saying stuff like this? People aren't talking about Hillary winning the nomination outright. Obama can't even do that anymore. Either way this is going to the convention, there's no need to keep talking about delegate counts or percentages people need to win states by



 There's no way the superdelegates are going to let it go to the convention.   They're already reports that a large number of them are just waiting until June 3 and then will get Obama to the 2025 total.  The results of last night will make this even easier for them.


As far as blacks voting for Obama over HIllary due to his race I won't deny that but in the general election it's not that big a deal since black folks overwhelmingly vote democrat anyway (i think Bush got like 13% of the black vote).   It's not like McCain is going to lose a bunch of Republican voters cause he's white.   Obama will lose Reagan democrats cause he's black.  Governer Rendell of Penn said this of his own state.  That's why i think he'll probably lose but I'm hoping he proves me wrong


 

5/7/08 2:17 PM
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attjack - Bush would get the Muslim vote for Obama. Nobody has done more for the Muslim extremists than Bush in the last 6 years.



If "done more" you mean "Killed More" than maybe


But Mr Barack Hussein Obama will apologize to those poor muslims and have our women wearing a hijab, and build a Mosque on every corner to make amends.  We should open our minds to how the rest of the world is right?  It seems to be working for England and France so well.

5/7/08 2:18 PM
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Keep in mind after last night even if you include Michigan and Florida Clinton cannot catch up in popular vote, delegates, number of states won, and super delegates will recognize this and end this race very soon.
5/7/08 2:36 PM
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 it's over, the "Black Guy" won!


Now the Dems can be viewed as "Change" this election's buzzword.

5/7/08 2:39 PM
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With a president like Bush virtually nobody is opposed to change. Bush ruined this election for the Republicans by being such a major douche.
5/7/08 2:41 PM
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Obama Hussein is a silly socialist and racist...he will not win.
5/7/08 2:42 PM
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When the attacks on Obama come from fantasy land you know the Republicans and Neocons are hurting.
5/7/08 2:56 PM
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jason hornbuckle - "You're underestimating the number of racist rednecks who would vote for ANYBODY just so Obama wouldn't win."











i'd be willing to bet real money on the idea that however many "racist rednecks" there are in this country, there are three times as many racist blacks who will vote for Obama just because he's black











Obama's carrying 91% of the black vote, Hillary isn't getting 90% of the white vote. if you want to talk about racism and this election cycle, "rednecks" are the wrong area to look at



 i agree that there are a lot of blacks who are voting for obama just because he's black.  i would not put them in the same category as racists who refuse to vote for a black man because if obama was NOT in the picture, hillary would have the entire black vote.  a racist would just not vote for someone who isn't of their race period.



5/7/08 3:02 PM
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But Mr Barack Hussein Obama will apologize to those poor muslims and have our women wearing a hijab, and build a Mosque on every corner to make amends.  We should open our minds to how the rest of the world is right?  It seems to be working for England and France so well.





Yes, Obama is going to make our women wear a hijab and start building mosques......great insight.  Did you know he is still a practicing Muslim?  It's true!  Look at his middle name!



5/7/08 3:07 PM
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" i agree that there are a lot of blacks who are voting for obama just because he's black. "

It's not black and white. Keep in mind Clinton had the black vote until people got to know Obama better, and saw Bill pull his shenanigans.
5/7/08 3:12 PM
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I love that this process is killing the Democratic party for the general election cycle. They're bleeding themselves dry, and airing every piece of dirty laundry the other has, while McCain and the Repubs can sit back, fundraise, and get their machine geared up.

It's a beautiful thing. Don't drop out Hillary, keep digging up ammunition for McCain.
5/7/08 3:18 PM
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attjack - " i agree that there are a lot of blacks who are voting for obama just because he's black. "



It's not black and white. Keep in mind Clinton had the black vote until people got to know Obama better, and saw Bill pull his shenanigans.



 i know. that's the point i was making.



5/7/08 3:20 PM
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"I love that this process is killing the Democratic party for the general election cycle. They're bleeding themselves dry, and airing every piece of dirty laundry the other has, while McCain and the Repubs can sit back, fundraise, and get their machine geared up."

What the f'ck planet are you on? McCain sitting back and fundraising? He is struggling to fundraise, and has been trying desperately to get the hard core brain washed christians on his side for months now. Its not working.

Obama getting through all the mud Clinton slung at him only makes him stronger. What will the right possibly come at him with that the Clintons didn't? Clinton cannot leave her legacy as tarnished as it is today, so she will come out in full support of Obama and the party will be unified by the time the election comes around.

Once all the petty, 1st grade b.s. ends and the debate on the ISSUES begins, it won't even be close. Obama is going to mop the floor with McSame in the debates, and the only people who refuse to allow themselves to judge it without bias are those who let their egos get in the way of every decision they make in life. aka as losers.
5/7/08 3:21 PM
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attjack - Then explain the current national polls.



 Polls mean jack sh!t. Explain why Kerry lost in 2004.  He led in polls, even exit polls at the precincts.


I think polls are usefull for getting a general indication of something, but they are nowhere near precise enough to rely on as a sure thing.

5/7/08 3:22 PM
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 Obama isn't bleeding himself dry.........he still has lots more money then McCain.  As far as the dirty laundry goes if it was going to come out (and in a gen election it definitely will) I think it's better to have that stuff come out in the primary where there's 6 months before the election then in September or October.


It is good for him in that they have to focus on attacking each other and not McCain though. 

5/7/08 3:24 PM
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 she prefers a cigar stuck in her



5/7/08 4:20 PM
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I think Jim Webb would carry more weight than Clark.
5/7/08 4:28 PM
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" There's no way the superdelegates are going to let it go to the convention. "







why wouldn't they? you act like going to the convention is something that's never been done before. if they were so concerned with ending it early, they'd have made a choice by now



5/7/08 4:35 PM
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" You're underestimating the number of racist rednecks who would vote for ANYBODY just so Obama wouldn't win."

So, if whites don't vote for Obama, they're racist rednecks?

That may be exactly why Obama wins-- it certainly has a role in why he's done so well in the Democratic primaries; that and the adoration from the media-- liberal whites are trying to exorcise their white guilt by voting for a black guy, any black guy, to show their bona fides.

But that seems an odd criticism considering that Obama is getting 90% of the black vote-- i.e. if your complaint is that "racist rednecks" won't vote for a black candidate when they can vote for a white one, you should be equally upset that blacks won't vote for a white candidate when they can vote for a black one. Somehow I doubt you're much bothered by the latter.

It's going to be an interesting ride, full of nauseating platitudes, accusations of racism at every turn, and an 8 month examination America's "original sin" that has absolutely nothing to do with examining it. Should be fun.
5/7/08 4:47 PM
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there are three times as many racist blacks who will vote for Obama just because he's black

Check your numbers, hoss.  Blacks still only make up about 12% of the population.

So, if whites don't vote for Obama, they're racist rednecks?

Did I say that?  No, I didn't.  You inferred it (incorrectly) from what I said.

if your complaint is that "racist rednecks" won't vote for a black candidate when they can vote for a white one, you should be equally upset that blacks won't vote for a white candidate when they can vote for a black one. Somehow I doubt you're much bothered by the latter.

I don't have a complaint and I'm not upset.  And you're right, it's just as bad for a black person to vote for Obama solely because he's black as it is for a white person to vote against him solely because he's black.

I was just stating the situation as I see it; in this day and age, it's not gonna be a slam dunk for a black man to become President of the United States.


 

5/7/08 4:51 PM
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"That may be exactly why Obama wins-- it certainly has a role in why he's done so well in the Democratic primaries; that and the adoration from the media-- liberal whites are trying to exorcise their white guilt by voting for a black guy, any black guy, to show their bona fides."

You are so correct! It has nothing to do with his stance on lobbyists controlling Washington, his stance on Iraq, his stance on how the WOT is being conducted, his stance on the way politics is run through fear and lies, etc. It is all white guilt!!!
5/7/08 4:52 PM
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"Check your numbers, hoss. Blacks still only make up about 12% of the population."

what's your point? what percentage of the population did you think are "racist rednecks"? more than 4% of the general population of the US?
5/7/08 4:58 PM
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"There's no way the superdelegates are going to let it go to the convention. "

You lack a fundamental understanding of the process. While the superdelegates can declare their intentions, they don't actually cast their vote until they're at the convention. So, technically, whenever the Superdelegates have control, it always goes to the convention.

"Keep in mind Clinton had the black vote until people got to know Obama better, and saw Bill pull his shenanigans."

This is also untrue. Obama picked up more of the black vote when it looked like he could actually win. Early in the race, Hillary did very well with blacks in Florida and Michigan-- states that have high black populations. It was later, in states that have mostly white populations, particularly in the midwest, west and New England that Obama began to do very well. Then, when he looked like he might have a shot, blacks began to support him. Like any special interest group, they want to back the winner. No harm, and nothing unusual, in that.

But it's important to remember that most of america believes whatever the media tells them to-- or at least that the media can influence it to such a degree they can be said to dictate what is improtant or unimportant.

It very much depends upon them; and I can't envision the media ever turning on Obama, even if and when he is elected. If they didn't over Wright, it's just not going to happen.
5/7/08 5:04 PM
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No way Hobre! I prefer things as they have been for the past 8 years. Great economy, low gas prices, Bin Laden and his network crushed, democracy spreading like wildfire in Iraq (since they had so much to do with 9/11), etc. Keep it the same. 8 more years! McSame 2012! White Guilt!

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