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5/15/08 3:37 PM
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“President Bush got it exactly right today when he warned about the threat of Iran and its terrorist proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah. It is imperative that we reject the flawed and naïve thinking that denies or dismisses the words of extremists and terrorists when they shout “Death to America” and “Death to Israel,” and that holds that — if only we were to sit down and negotiate with these killers — they would cease to threaten us. It is critical to our national security that our commander-in-chief is able to distinguish between America’s friends and America’s enemies, and not confuse the two.”
5/15/08 3:45 PM
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 I think we should panic and run around in circles and attack north east south and west somewhat.  It worked with Saddam, no reason it can't work with Iran.


 

5/15/08 3:48 PM
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 what's wrong with talking to your enemies?



5/15/08 3:54 PM
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they have cooties?
5/15/08 4:23 PM
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"Has it ever worked?"

You mean engaging your enemies? When has it not worked?
5/15/08 4:25 PM
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Wasn't the USSR our enemy?   Didn't we talk to them?


 Even if it didn't work doesn't it at least make sense to try?  What are the negatives?



5/15/08 4:25 PM
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"Work with Hitler?"

There's a difference between appeasement and engagement.

It would be stupid not to talk to your enemies. You don't have to appease them though.
5/15/08 4:26 PM
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"Wasn't the USSR our enemy? Didn't we talk to them?"

Traven is getting appeasement and engagement confused.

It is possible to talk to your enemies without giving them everything that they ask for.
5/15/08 4:27 PM
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"Why give them anything they ask for?"

You're still confused. You don't have to give them anything. You can still talk to them.

Appeasement is not the same as engagement.
5/15/08 4:28 PM
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"most people use engagement when talking about military action."

No, most people talk about getting hitched with a girl when they talk about engagement.
5/15/08 4:33 PM
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"That is why I said " why give them anything""

Well if they ask permission to scratch their ass and smell it, I would give them what they are asking for.

This is not rocket science dude.
5/15/08 5:10 PM
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The funny part is that they are basically saying this.

"If you are our enemy we will not negotiate with you. However, we want you to do the following things...but will never meet with you in person to explain them."

Yeah, that works really well.

He seems to miss the fact that you can sit down with foreign leaders and simply say "I'm happy to hear your point, but if you do anything to Israel we will nuke your capital city. Now...go on."
5/15/08 5:14 PM
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it's the neocon talking points
5/15/08 5:50 PM
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 ^^^^^^^^^You are correct                LOL                                                                                                                                                                    it




 




"is possible to talk to your enemies without giving them everything that they ask for. "




That is why I said " why give them anything"




 



Why did we give North Korea something?  Using your logic, NK should be a smoking ruin right now.   That's part of the problem with Bush's foreign policy. There's no consistancy.  He'll negotiate with terrorists such as Al-Sadr and the madman from NK--and that's not called apeasement.  In the case of NK, it's called "incentives."   But talking to Iran automatically means we surrendered? LMAO

 

5/15/08 5:53 PM
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 Has it ever worked?





 historically, yea, its worked a lot


 


 


unless you ahvent read much history

5/15/08 7:14 PM
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5/15/08 8:47 PM
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 I didn't see anything in that article indicating Lieberman attacked Obama.  No punches thrown, no kicking a downed opponent, not even a headbutt.  In fact he didn't even call Obama names.  Lieberman expressed a difference of opinion.  


Who's for freedom of expression?


 

5/16/08 6:54 AM
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His facial expression was mean iirc.


 

5/16/08 10:58 AM
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