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5/22/08 6:07 AM
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Joe Ray
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If anyone has read the two authors I don't think it needs to be said that Freuds' psychology was strongly influenced by Nietzche.

Through much of his work, the influence of Nietzsche can easily be felt.

Freuds' central idea of Civilization and its' Discontents, ie that the progression of man from his animal existence in a state of nature to civilization entails turning his aggressive & hostile instincts on himself, thus resulting in guilt(essential to civilization) and consequently a whole barrage of mental neuroses, is basically the same as Nietzsches' idea of the bad conscience.

I also know that Nietzsche was a strong influence on Adler and Jung and they talked about Nietzsches' influence on them.

However I have not read anything that Freud himself had to say about Nietzsche. Does anyone know if he ever expressed his thoughts on Nietzsches work?

Thanks.
5/25/08 6:47 AM
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Ah I have a Nietzsche book by that guy. Very good it is too.
5/27/08 5:44 AM
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Nietzsche's detractors will often point to Nietzsche's mental illness in his later years as proof of the fruits of his philosophy.

It is therefore very ironic that the founding fathers of psychology, psychoanalysis and psychotherapy all owe a huge debt to the works of Friedrich nietzsche.

Ie. their methods of making an individual mentally healthier are all derived from the works of one insane German philosopher.
5/29/08 10:32 PM
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Joe Ray - their methods of making an individual mentally healthier are all derived from the works of one insane German philosopher.


Oh THAT old chestnut again... :)
5/30/08 12:23 AM
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I took a course that assigned On The Genealogy of Morals and Civilization and Its Discontents.

They are definitely related thinkers.
5/30/08 5:35 AM
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"Oh THAT old chestnut again... :) "

What do you mean?
6/4/08 12:32 AM
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Go download the documentaries: The Power of Knightmares and The Century of the Self.They are awesome and provide insight into what Nietzsche and Freud have to do with one another.
6/5/08 3:03 PM
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Hey Joe...There is a book and movie called "When Nietzsche Wept"...its a fictional story of Nietzsche being psychoanalyzed by a doctor who is taking advice from Freud on how to do it.


Armand Assante plays Nietzsche in the movie.
8/27/08 1:36 AM
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Adrian Johnston is currently exploring the connection between; philosophy, psychoanalysis, and neuroscience.
3/16/09 3:00 PM
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Freud also said that no man has had a more penetrating insight into his own self and psyche than Nietzsche.

Freud was well acquainted with Nietzsche's works.

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