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6/27/08 12:40 AM
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K-Dub-"T" -  lol I see what u doin ABE - you're feeding the trolls. Make sure you add a little anti-freeze though ;-)

BodyAndSould..... when u say head of state... isn't she like a COndi - secretary of state or something?
Technically your leader is this guy:


Prime Minister Harper.
Right?
So what position does she hold exactly?
She's actually above the Prime Minister. Because we're a constitutional monarchy, the Queen is our leader and the governor general is her representative. The Prime Minister is just the head of parliament's leading party and has very little autonomous power. So even though it is mainly ceremonial, it's the governor general who officially represents Canada, calls parliament into session, appoints Supreme Court judges, dissolves parliament, calls elections, and recognizes the elected government. She also is the head of the Canadian Military. It wouldn't happen (although I think it did once), but she'd be within her rights to refuse to recognize the prime minister or government as legitimate.

Sadly, she's had to deal with a fair amount of shit - the most recent being from a popular Quebec writer who called her 'le reigne negre' (The Negro Queen), likening her to the colonial tendency to place certain hand-picked natives in high positions in Africa to legitimate their oppression (he claims it had nothing to do with her race).
6/27/08 12:50 AM
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 Next we'll take over Mexico! Good night all.
6/27/08 1:43 AM
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 K-dub?
6/27/08 7:35 AM
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fearlessthinker -  Abe,

     Fair enough. If you would like the Africa ground to be a safe harbor from racial discussions and more a place to chill and relax i understand and accept that. I will limit my posting to such.
 
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"I agree 100%. Diversity brings a unique set of problems, more diversity=more problems. America is just about 40 years ahead of the world, with the exception of the balkans."
So that promise lasted 1 hour... not that I care... just saying...
6/27/08 7:38 AM
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MarkedCard - "K-Dub, somebody posted an uncomfortable fact.  Please make it go away."  
Still trying to figure out what the fact or even the point was... I'm a bit thick.
 
6/27/08 6:00 PM
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LOL. MY BAD!!!!! She's hot!!!!


sorry abe, she's into white guys.
6/27/08 7:16 PM
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Kona Silat - LOL. MY BAD!!!!! She's hot!!!!


sorry abe, she's into white guys.
Why are you apologizing to me? She's 50 years old, I don't search out 50 year old heads of state. Fuck that.
 
6/27/08 8:15 PM
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sorry for venting but I just saw something that brought this up, I just dont get what is wrong with people
You see what's wrong with people daily on this site.
 
6/28/08 1:09 AM
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 I'll be the bad guy.  It bothers me to see an attractive and or successful black woman dating outside of her "race." 

Now, I personally don't beleive in race from a scientific perspective.  Meaning, genetically I don't think that there is a difference between "races."  Now from a social POV, this bothers me because blacks have taken so much abuse in recent history and for a black woman not to choose a black man as her mate makes me fell like she thinks that a black man is not good enough to meet her standards.  Now I know that this may not be the case in every scenario but we have many black people to this day who feel like they are better that other black people based on various factors e.g. complexion, upbringing, hair texture, etc.

Also, attractive, successful black women dont grow on trees.  Remember, we are the minority here in the U.S.  When a first class black woman decides to get with a white guy, that makes one less good woman for a brother to settle down with.
6/28/08 1:19 AM
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 Are you black?
6/28/08 1:23 AM
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 Educated and financially successful?
6/28/08 1:58 AM
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 hook her up with a friend
6/28/08 7:16 AM
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I was shocked when she said this but she told me that statistically, black men in the U.S. are more likely to go to prison than college. That really made me think.
This isn't true by the way. It was based on some very sloppy statistics. The fucked up thing is that it was anti-racists who propogated this myth thinking it would shock people into acton; rather, it ended up 'validating' a lot of people's racism.
 
6/28/08 10:57 AM
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I have absolutely no problem with it and consider a white man in that type of relationship authentically cool. It shows you don't fall for society's bullshit.
6/28/08 11:13 AM
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I only have a problem with it because I saw her pictures and she's hot. If you ever wanted to trade her for a cute Irish redhead (with the stereotypical temper to match), give me a call.

I do have a problem with people who say they will only date those of a certain race (e.g. black women saying they'll only date white men) and I get really annoyed by white women who say that they'll only date black men because they're buying into and perpetuating the stereotypes that some of us try so hard to dispel.

I do understand Darkson's point. I used to say I would only date black women because I hated the perceived tendency for successful (not that I'm successful but I'm working on it) black men to go for white women. But as I got older I realized it was stupid and now refuse to politicize love. Choosing or not choosing partners based on their race seems a sad commentary on how far we still have to come.

P.S. I love the AfricaGround!

6/28/08 12:07 PM
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YOU ARE THE MAN! But unfortunately I'm pretty much married and for all my complaining am very fond of her (unless it's PMS time of course).
6/28/08 12:10 PM
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P.S. Keep her... hotness aside she looked like she's an absolute doll (you can see it in her eyes).

6/29/08 7:13 AM
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Ndugu - Wow, I did not know that. Can you direct me to a source for that? Thanks.
Sure buddy - I've copied the article and link below.

The part that blows my mind is that between 18-24 Black men are 2.5 times more likely to be in college than prison. It pretty much invalidates your coworkers contention and all the constant ranting on the OG about thug culture, single parents, role models, etc... the culmination of this apparently leads black men towards being 2.5 times more likely to be in college than prison. Imagine what would happen were we to abondon the failed and racist war on drugs?


http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=090202B
Behind Books, Not Bars
By Iain Murray

Last week, the Justice Policy Institute released a study that examined how states' spending on corrections and higher education respectively had diverged over the last twenty years. The report particularly highlighted the effect of the relative changes on the male African American community. Indeed, the subhead of the press release ran "More African American Men Incarcerated Than Enrolled In College," going on to say that "in 2000, there were an estimated 791,600 African American men in prison and jail, and 603,000 in higher education."

There are several problems with this characterization: the figures are incorrect, the comparison is misleading and the result is what is obviously an unintended reinforcement of a negative stereotype that is damaging to African American men.

To begin with the figures, the Bureau of Justice Statistics' publication "Prison and Jail Inmates at Midyear 2000" does indeed estimate 791,600 African Americans in prison or jail at that time. However, the figures for African-American college enrollment, derived from the National Center for Education Statistics, look very different from the figures issued by the Census Bureau, which are used in the official government "data book," the Statistical Abstract. Those figures show a total of 804,000 African-American males over the age of 17 enrolled in college in October 2000. It is unclear why there is such a vast difference, but the Census Bureau data is almost certainly more up-to-date, deriving as it does from the annual Current Population Survey.

Moreover, it is misleading to compare the number of African American men who are incarcerated with the simple number of college students. It is a simple fact that a man can go to prison at any age, but is far more likely to be in college between the ages of 18 and 24 than at any other time in his life. The more meaningful comparison here is to look at how many men of college age are enrolled in college or under custodial supervision. When the figures are broken down by age, a much different picture emerges, one that is much less helpful to the Justice Policy Institute's case. There were 469,000 African American males between the ages of 18 and 24 who were enrolled in college in 2000, compared to 180,000 in prison or jail. An African American male of college age is therefore over two and a half times as likely to be in college than in prison. That is a significant difference.

What is perhaps most annoying about the way the Justice Policy Institute chose to present its figures is that it helps perpetuate the stereotype that a young African American male is likely to be a troublemaker or a jailbird. In fact, as a careful look at the figures shows, he is much more likely to be carrying books than a gun. Tremendous advances have been made in crime reduction in the African American community (the rate at which African Americans commit murder has halved since 1990), which should not be hidden by presentation of statistics that, however well intentioned, show that community in a negative light.

Moreover, by focusing on the respective numbers of African American males in college as opposed to prison or jail, the study ignores the huge differential in the numbers for females. There are 747,000 African American women aged 18-24 enrolled in college, but only 9,000 in prison or jail. Less than a decade ago, in 1994, there were only 561,000 African American women enrolled in college. That represents a 33 percent increase in only 6 years, despite the relative reductions in State education expenditure highlighted by the Justice Policy Institute. It also means that there is a total of 1,216,000 young African Americans in college, as opposed to 189,000 in custody. That is a huge disparity which should be very good news.

It seems likely, as the New York Times was careful to point out in its coverage of the story, that the relative increase in incarceration spending by the States in the '80s and '90s was fueled not by a desire to invest more in the war on drugs by locking up young black males than in their education, but by an actual increase in violent crime. Thankfully, that phase seems to be over. We should be happy that today's young African Americans of both sexes are far more likely to be listening to an economics lecturer than to the barked orders of a corrections officer.
6/29/08 4:58 PM
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Ndugu - BodyandSoul, thanks. I don't think that article disproves what my friend said. She said that a black male is more likely to go to prison than attend college. If you look at a lifetime as a whole, I think she is correct. The above article only looks at the age span from 18 - 24.
Respectfully, I think it does. The article look at all ages when it shows that in 2000 there were 791,600 blacks (wonder if this figure includes men and women?) in prison but 804,000 black men enrolled in college.

So this statistical snapshot (as long as it's consistent for other years) would suggest that over 200,000 blacks would be starting college every year (4 year programs). I don't think there are 200,000 first-time admissions for black men to prison every year (remember recidivists wouldn't count). This would mean that a black male is more likely to attend college than go to prison.
6/29/08 5:00 PM
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Ngudu, that doesn't ring true to me because criminality in all demographics plummets after that age, and people younger who were in legal trouble tend not to go to college.

The oft quoted statistic in question compared collegians with males in the system----jail, parole and probation---and this itself has been proven wrong as a generalization only applicable to parts of the country where no one of any race goes to college much.
6/29/08 5:25 PM
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StretchPlum - Ngudu, that doesn't ring true to me because criminality in all demographics plummets after that age, and people younger who were in legal trouble tend not to go to college.

The oft quoted statistic in question compared collegians with males in the system----jail, parole and probation---and this itself has been proven wrong as a generalization only applicable to parts of the country where no one of any race goes to college much.
Good point - there are probably specific areas where there would more black males in the system than college, but it doesn't hold nationwide.
 
6/29/08 8:25 PM
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 #5 is most correct.
6/29/08 9:35 PM
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 All Thissss?

 photo | Barack Obama, Scarlett Johansson

 

6/30/08 8:09 AM
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K, hard to argue with any of those.
11/5/08 12:32 AM
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Mullet @ Heart - Obama has no chance of winning. Hillary would not have had a chance at winning either. America isn't ready to overlook race or gender.

Hell, we've only had one Catholic President, and he got shot in the head.

I hope I'm wrong, but fear I'm not.


I stand pleasantly corrected. :)

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