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9/14/08 12:38 AM
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I use a Canon 40D with a Tamron AF28-75mm F/2.8 lens. I've posted some shots I've taken at tournaments and posted them onto my flickr account.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22554924@N07/sets/72157604781703211/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22554924@N07/sets/72157606989297177/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22554924@N07/sets/72157606986503912/

Wondering what suggestions you guys have for lenses to better capture action shots. Thanks
9/14/08 1:50 AM
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I got the 40D November of last year so almost an entire year. It's my first DSLR camera.

I don't like using flash and prefer to have my own settings and not depend on the auto option. In the case of actions shots, I do use the 'sports' mode to get consecutive shooting.

Still haven't mastered the camera but would like to start working on investing on some nicer lenses for the future.

Thanks
9/14/08 2:00 AM
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Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-70-200mm-2-8L-Telephoto-Cameras/dp/B00006I53X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=photo&qid=1206321527&sr=1-1


It's obscenely priced but worth it's weight in gold. This is what all the pros use at MMA events. It's very fast and the quality is outstanding.
9/14/08 2:23 AM
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Tokyudo,

You're right, it is obscenely priced. I guess I have to start saving my lunch-money. Besides the Canon lenses, any other recommendations from brands like Tamron or Sigma?

Thanks
9/14/08 10:13 AM
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bjjasia - Tokyudo,

You're right, it is obscenely priced. I guess I have to start saving my lunch-money. Besides the Canon lenses, any other recommendations from brands like Tamron or Sigma?

Thanks



I would recommend the Sigma equivalent. I recall seeing side-by-side reviews of Tamron's and Sigma's versions of the 70-200mm and the Sigma edged Tamron. The best part is that both lenses are about $800-1000 less than Canon's.
9/14/08 11:21 AM
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Thanks again, will check out the Sigma.
9/14/08 12:34 PM
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bjjasia - I use a Canon 40D with a Tamron AF28-75mm F/2.8 lens. I've posted some shots I've taken at tournaments and posted them onto my flickr account.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22554924@N07/sets/72157604781703211/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22554924@N07/sets/72157606989297177/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22554924@N07/sets/72157606986503912/

Wondering what suggestions you guys have for lenses to better capture action shots. Thanks
The pics look good with only minimal blurring...a F2.8 lens is pretty good for grappling...you could also get a 50mm F1.8 ($88 or so on Amazon) for even fast shots. There's no zoom, so you move back and forth, but since you have no cage, it seems like it shouldn't be too hard to do.

What speed and ISO are you shooting at? You could always jack up both to get faster shots with minimal changes in quality.
 
9/15/08 3:26 AM
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Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. I'm not 100% happy with the focus of the pictures since I have missed some great shots and am wondering if it is me or whether it's the lens. I'm assuming it's partly me cause I may not be pushing the lens to it's full potential but this is my first.

I have been told to try a fixed lens at 50mm which I'm thinking of doing.

As for the speed and ISO, with the sports mode on it's usually around 50/400 depending on the light. Most of these events are under horrible florescent lights. My best shots have been in natural light.
9/15/08 2:32 PM
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I have been told to try a fixed lens at 50mm which I'm thinking of doing.



The 50mm prime lens is a great investment and it's dirt cheap (approx. $90). It's cheaply built (plastic fantasic) but it's not going to just break on you with normal use. If you drop it, it's pretty much dead.

At F/1.8, it takes some excellent 'Bokeh' shots. It's a fast lens and 50mm is about the equivalent of what the human eye sees.


Here some shots I took with it:
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3571/birdsod4.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4561/llama3nb2.jpg
(My depth of field was a bit off on this one, the llama's ear is a little blurry. Should have shot at F/2.8)


When you use a 50mm for sporting events, you'll likely be shooting "wide" and cropping everything later with Photoshop. Now if you're able to get really close and take pictures, the 50mm is damn near going to be your best friend :)
9/15/08 10:51 PM
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In a lot of the smaller tournaments here in SEA, I can get pretty close but even then it doesn't always promise the action takes place on my side of the mat. The 18-75mm has done alright so far but I can imagine how much the -200mm could do.A photographer friend of mine thinks it's best to not even start with a telephoto but get a fixed lens first. Getting good practice with moving yourself first before fiddling too much with the zoom to get the right shot. My camera isn't full frame so it's like 1.5x whatever the lens is. I think that's still pretty good and with the speed of the 50mm at 1.8.Thanks guys. Once I figure things out and make any changes, I'll post some more pics. Tokyudo, nice pics by the way.
9/30/08 9:54 PM
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Hi Guys,

Here are the links to the pics I took this past weekend. I haven't colored corrected any of them. There are only a few that I think I will go back and fix but let me know what you guys think.

Luke

www.bjj-asia.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22554924@N07/sets/72157607591526040/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22554924@N07/sets/72157607599279793/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22554924@N07/sets/72157607593936728/
9/30/08 11:14 PM
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Nice pics. Some of the shots were a little underexposed but that's fixable with photoshop.

What lens were you using?
10/1/08 12:45 AM
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same as before: Tamron AF28-75mm F/2.8

I dropped my camera in the bathroom and thank god the lens filter I bought as an accessory took the force of the fall and the actual lens was saved.
10/1/08 8:51 AM
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bjjasia - same as before: Tamron AF28-75mm F/2.8

I dropped my camera in the bathroom and thank god the lens filter I bought as an accessory took the force of the fall and the actual lens was saved.



I think I would have had a heart attack lol. UV filters were put on this earth for a reason :)

I always use my camera strap. Yes, it does tend to get in my way when I shoot but at least I know my camera will never hit the floor. Plus, it feels weird for me to shoot without it on for some reason.
10/6/08 4:10 PM
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Peoria Athletic Club -  I shot with a Nikon D200.

My 50mm 1.8 is my favorite lens.  For everything!  Action, portraits, whatever! only cost me abotu $120.

Im saving for a 70-200 2.8.  throw on the VR and the fucker is like $1800.

might have to sell my car for that one......

Im gonna start shoot some tournys coming up.  Good photos on this thread!!!

Ryan Prouty
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I have that 50mm lens and I love it...so cheap and awesome. i know they make the F1.4 50mm for like $300 as well.

I have the 55-200mm F5.6 VR and it's nice...I'm not dropping $1800 on a lens until I get a D300...then I'd rather have the AF-D version (without VR, of course) just to save some money. I hate being broke, haha.

Glad to see you on the PhotoGround!
  
10/9/08 2:50 AM
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Wow, so much support for the 50mm. I think it's time that I got one myself.
10/9/08 11:32 AM
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Yea, you'll really like it...this is from the kenrockwel..com site

"A $120 fixed f/1.8 lens, like the one above, gathers many times more light than a zoom. If you pay $3,600 for the D700/24-120mm VR combo, the 24-120mm lens is only about f/5.6 in the 50mm range.

f/1.8 is 10 times more sensitive to light than f/5.6. The D700 will have to be at ISO 6,400 to get the same picture with the same exposure time as a D80 with an f/1.8 lens at only ISO 640!"


12/16/08 2:54 AM
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Just thought I'd update this thread with some recent action photos from an open-mat session. The same body (Canon EOS 40D) but now with my new Canon 50mm f1.2. The lens was an early Christmas gift from my wife, I am very lucky.

http://bkkbjj.blogspot.com/2008/12/pics-from-last-saturdays-open-mat.html

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