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10/20/08 11:23 PM
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PatrickFreitas
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As Icon's ex-promoter, I've had fighters calling me all day about the Elitexc situation. I Just wanted to say that as everyone here is dancing on the Elitexc's grave, I think its important to remember that a shitload of good fighters (and great people) just saw their contracts disappear into the ether. I mostly dealt with the Hawaii talent, so Icon champs like Kala Kolohe and Mark Oshiro, as well as up-and-comers Poai Suganuma (BJ Penn's LHW), Koa Ramos, Kaleo Kwan - to name a few - just lost big time. 20x this many mainland guys are going thru the same thing. Really sucks for all of them.

Not all of them are UFC material, but the EliteXC model allowed them to earn much better paychecks than living in the local shows. Its too bad that most of them have to go back to the tiny paychecks of the local shows.
10/20/08 11:24 PM
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Agreed. Shitty deal. :(
10/20/08 11:25 PM
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Patrick, I just wanna say, that you are a classy man, and a great promoter.  Too bad they didn't have you running shit over there.  They might still be around.
10/20/08 11:26 PM
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Damn that sucks. But hopefully they got enough exsposure for Affliction, Cage Rage, Dream and etc come calling. There are going to be a lot of peeps getting snagged up in just mere hours. I pray for those small guys to get picked up.
10/20/08 11:30 PM
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 It was great while it lasted. MMA on free network TV. What station will step up and try and fill that void? o
10/20/08 11:31 PM
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epwar - Yeah, this really sucks for a lot of talented fighters out there. I hope BJ can put in a good word for Pa'oi.


Who would be stupid not to listen to BJ Penn
10/20/08 11:36 PM
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Hey Dana swallow your pride and just snag the best thats out there. regardless of your grudges...
10/20/08 11:37 PM
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I feel bad for the fighters but I can't see how anybody would be surprised.
10/20/08 11:39 PM
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 Thanks Patrick. I am so bummed :-(
10/20/08 11:39 PM
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I honestly can't see how anyone is happy for the demise of EliteXC
10/20/08 11:42 PM
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Well we were happy but now after the excitement and the relization of the fact that there are peeps who are now out of the job its not so exciting any more
10/20/08 11:47 PM
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OmegaPoon - Truth. Although maybe this debacle will force the next Pro Elite to be less shady.

The next ProElite isn't coming for a long time, the economy is all fucked up and nobody is dumb enough to step up and fill the void, and the only people that really could do it would be if Zuffa massively expanded or CBS pump money into another promotion. This is a really, really shitty situation for the fighters.

Birdman3015 - Hey Dana swallow your pride and just snag the best thats out there. regardless of your grudges...


I'm always shocked how much footing the "Dana holds grudges" thing gets. It's pro-wrestling bluster to obfuscate real business issues.

Josh Barnett isn't in Sengoku because Dana White is a big meanie, it's because he has a big price tag and it's easier to digest the abrasive spokesman being a hardass than it is the world leader in the sport not having all the world leading athletes because they won't pay for it.
10/20/08 11:49 PM
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Crooklyn - Patrick, I just wanna say, that you are a classy man, and a great promoter. Too bad they didn't have you running shit over there. They might still be around.

Big mahaloz for that.

Its safe to say that Elite and I rarely saw eye-to-eye on marketing. We did things a lot differently than them at Icon. I was frequently outvoted in the committee process, but I just thought that was part of the deal of going from the 2-man admin of Icon to the corporate structure of ProElite. I brought Mousasi, Aoki, Hunt, and a number of other legit guys (all at a fair market price) to the matchmaking team back Oct/Nov 2007, but my talent selections didn't match their agenda.

No disrespect to them cuz they are all nice guys and gals...we just saw things differently.

Guys like Lawler, Diaz, Shields, Bigfoot, Feijao, and Herman will all land on their feet when the dust clears, but many others will suffer. I hope everything turns out okay for the rest, including nearly all of the staff at Elite.
10/20/08 11:59 PM
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Crooklyn - Patrick, I just wanna say, that you are a classy man, and a great promoter. Too bad they didn't have you running shit over there. They might still be around.

Big mahaloz for that.

Its safe to say that Elite and I rarely saw eye-to-eye on marketing. We did things a lot differently than them at Icon. I was frequently outvoted in the committee process, but I just thought that was part of the deal of going from the 2-man admin of Icon to the corporate structure of ProElite. I brought Mousasi, Aoki, Hunt, and a number of other legit guys (all at a fair market price) to the matchmaking team back Oct/Nov 2007, but my talent selections didn't match their agenda.

No disrespect to them cuz they are all nice guys and gals...we just saw things differently.

Guys like Lawler, Diaz, Shields, Bigfoot, Feijao, and Herman will all land on their feet when the dust clears, but many others will suffer. I hope everything turns out okay for the rest, including nearly all of the staff at Elite.

 I had heard about you wanting to bring Mousasi in, and EXC putting the bricks to that idea.  Check your messages in 2 minutes please.
10/21/08 12:03 AM
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 Thank you for making a very necessary post.
10/21/08 12:05 AM
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great post

i dont understand the celebration either
10/21/08 12:11 AM
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I think people are celebrating because of the shady nature of the entire organization and the 'freakshow' nature of their marketing and broadcasting.

While every point you make is a good one, MMA as a whole will be better in the long run with EXC gone. ProElite in general was not as bad, but EXC was the flagship and the flagship stunk as bad as you can stink.

It stinks that for the sake of MMA keeping a good reputation good fighters and people are losing their jobs. Here's to hoping they land on their feet quickly.
10/21/08 12:16 AM
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I feel bad for all the fighters.
10/21/08 12:17 AM
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DannyOcean - I think people are celebrating because of the shady nature of the entire organization and the 'freakshow' nature of their marketing and broadcasting.

While every point you make is a good one, MMA as a whole will be better in the long run with EXC gone. ProElite in general was not as bad, but EXC was the flagship and the flagship stunk as bad as you can stink.

It stinks that for the sake of MMA keeping a good reputation good fighters and people are losing their jobs. Here's to hoping they land on their feet quickly.



this post i agree with.

MMA is much better off in the long run. EXC was bound to fail and hopefully a real organization will rise up in it's place.
10/21/08 12:47 AM
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 but the question is who will fill that viod? we need many big name mma orginations to meet the demand for the speed of which this new sport is growing. The Mcdojo's across the state opening and more and more states making pro/amateur mma legal and sanctioned by the state....this is a good thing.

People we have a new sport. We created it....the fans. WE buy the tickets, WE buy the paperview, and all the tapout shirts we can fit in our dressers,,,my point is......shit what is my point? oh ya! Like my father used to say " Everthing happens for a reason" this reason is hard to find right now but in the end, it will work it self out. The fans and the fighters will not let that happen. It's like a dance two steps forward, one step back. We took our one step back, now lets move forward. cha cha cha
10/21/08 2:25 AM
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 Great post Patrick.
10/21/08 5:50 AM
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2009 will be the year that mma dies in hawaii.
10/21/08 6:00 AM
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FCTV808 - 2009 will be the year that mma dies in hawaii.

That would really suck. 

Long live Mike Miller and X1
10/21/08 6:59 AM
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Crooklyn - Patrick, I just wanna say, that you are a classy man, and a great promoter. Too bad they didn't have you running shit over there. They might still be around.

Crooklyn armbars teh TRUTH.

Mahaloz again. Thanks for the kind words.

Would've been awesome if TJay and I coulda had a crack at steering the ship, but certain people - and their methods - were already in place when we arrived. It was clear from day one it was 'their' show, and we were there just to help out on request. Unfortunately there was nothing we could do but go along with it.

Such a wasted opportunity, eh?
10/21/08 7:27 AM
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I am certainly sensitive to the fact that some fighters will be looking for work now. I think there are enough lower orgs for the lesser fighters and the better fighters will catch on with the UFC. Being sad about a company failing is a little silly; especially a company that had the potential to ruin MMA.

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