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Seriously, how much crap are we going to put up with from the current occupants of that stolen piece of land?
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US man admits 'spying for Israel'
















Ben-Ami Kadish faces a maximum five-year
prison sentence [Reuters]

An 85-year-old former US army engineer has admitted passing classified military documents to Israel during the 1980s, prosecutors say.

Ben-Ami Kadish was accused of providing the documents, including some relating to US nuclear weapons systems, to an Israeli agent, Yosef Yagur, who photographed them at Kadish's home.


Kadish, who pleaded guilty to only one of the four espionage-related charges he originally faced, entered the plea at a New York court on Tuesday.


He is set to be sentenced in February and could face a maximum of five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.



However, a US prosecutor said on Tuesday that the government would not oppose a sentence that means Kadish will not serve time in prison, the Associated Press reported.


Yagur has been linked in court documents to the case of Jonathan Pollard, a US citizen who is serving a life sentence for a 1985 charge of spying for Israel.


Court papers say Kadish's alleged spying took place between 1979 and 1985, although he maintained contact with an Israeli consular official until this year.


Israel has denied spying on the US after 1985.


Classified documents


The charges alleged that the Israeli consular official, identified in the indictment as "CC-1", gave Kadish lists of classified documents to obtain from the US Army's Armament Research, Development, and Engineering Centre at the Picatinny Arsenal in the state of New Jersey.


The documents included information about nuclear weapons, fighter jets and the US Patriot missile air defence system, prosecutors say.


Kadish, who worked at the arsenal from 1963-1990, kept in touch with CC-1 via telephone and email and met the official in Israel in 2004, authorities said.


"CC-1" had left the US in 1985 and has never returned, the US authorities said.








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1/4/09 12:19 PM
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One fool throws a stone
By Yoel Marcus

The bombshell about the arrest of a Jewish spy in the United States reminds me of the awful joke about the woman who went to the police to report being raped 21 years ago. When the officer at the desk asked her why she had come forward after so many years, she replied: "It's nice to reminisce."

The same question could be asked about the motives of the FBI: What made them wake up now and charge an 84-year-old American Jew with spying for Israel 23 years ago?

The national director of the Anti-Defamation League, Abraham Foxman, is correct in expressing astonishment at the timing. If Ben-Ami Kadish's actions were so serious, how come they waited 23 years? To prove that Israel broke the formal promise it made after the Pollard affair not to engage in spying in the United States? Maybe. In the very first paragraph, the charge sheet states that Kadish collaborated with others, known and unknown - a clear hint that the FBI doesn't really believe that Israel kept its word.
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The Bureau of Scientific Relations was indeed disbanded, and America's presidents believed that Israel would not engage in further espionage, but the truth is that the FBI was never fully convinced that Israeli agents weren't scurrying around America in some new disguise, pinching military secrets.

The same FBI that for five years had no idea a plot to blow up the Twin Towers was being hatched under its nose spent a large part of its time harassing the Jewish aides of U.S. senators and congressmen. It didn't like the sight of Israeli leaders buttonholing U.S. officials at resource and policy institutes. So this is not a conspiracy masterminded by the U.S. administration but part of the FBI's scare campaign to keep sensitive information from being relayed to Israel by American Jews.

This is the reason for the investigations and legal proceedings against AIPAC executives, who are accused of what appear to be very serious offenses. At various times over the past three decades, FBI agents have subjected Jews working in sensitive workplaces to interrogations that have been far from pleasant.

The Bureau of Scientific Relations was established in 1957 as a classified unit of Israel's Defense Ministry whose major goal was tracking down the finest Jewish minds in the sphere of nuclear and advanced weapon technology. Over the years, it became the main recruitment agency for Israel's defense industries, from nuclear development to the Biological Institute in Nes Tziona. The bureau sent out "scientific attaches" to different countries, but it was clear that their job was to recruit agents to obtain classified, high-quality information about top-secret projects.

This reliance on Jews holding key posts in countries with advanced defense industries was a basic mistake. It created a problem of dual allegiance for many Jews. From this standpoint, the arrest of an 84-year old American Jew for handing over secrets to Israeli agents over two decades ago is a very grave matter - much more so than the Pollard affair. This is because Jonathan Pollard was paid for his services, while Ben-Ami Kadish did what he did out of the desire to help Israel. In so doing, he crossed the line that American Jews avoid like fire: They are Americans more than anything else.

It is no accident that America's Jews are so anxious for the friendship between America and Israel to continue. They don't want to be forced to choose between these loyalties. An Israel that spies on the United States creates problems with those who are not lovers of Israel and its over-influence in the corridors of power. Many Americans may not be thrilled by Hillary Clinton's statement that if Israel is harmed, Iran will be obliterated. Across broad swathes of America, people are getting tired of Israel and its problems with the Arabs, which have dragged president after president into conflicts with the Islamic world.

The FBI probably knew about Kadish long ago. He was under close surveillance, not least in the hope of exposing other Israeli spies and proving that Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin's pledge not to spy on America was never kept. It seems more likely the timing was chosen to eliminate the possibility that George W. Bush will pardon Pollard on Israel's 60th birthday.

The Bureau of Scientific Relations changed its face when Ariel Sharon appointed Rafi Eitan to head it. Eitan, upset at being passed over to head the Mossad, turned the bureau into a Mossad substitute. He obtained intelligence for Israel's leaders and made them accomplices in the unpardonable sin of spying on America. After Pollard's arrest, the bureau was closed down. The Israeli government apologized and promised in writing that such a thing would never happen again.

One fool throws a stone in the well and a thousand wise men can't retrieve it. The greatest scandal of all is that Rafi Eitan is still deemed fit to serve as a government minister.
 
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Dual Israeli Citizens:


American / Isreali Dual Citizens in the American Government

Attorney General - Michael Mukasey
Head of Homeland Security - Michael Chertoff
Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) - Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense - Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor - Elliott Abrams
Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) - “Scooter” Libby
White House Deputy Chief of Staff - Joshua Bolten
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs - Marc Grossman
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department - Richard Haass
U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) - Robert Zoellick
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - James Schlesinger
UN Representative (Former) - John Bolton
Under Secretary for Arms Control - David Wurmser
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Eliot Cohen
Senior Advisor to the President - Steve Goldsmith
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary - Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of State - Lincoln Bloomfield
Deputy Assistant to the President - Jay Lefkowitz
White House Political Director - Ken Melman
National Security Study Group - Edward Luttwak
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) - Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
National Security Council Advisor - Robert Satloff
President Export-Import Bank U.S. - Mel Sembler
Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families - Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs
- Mark Weinberger
White House Speechwriter - David Frum
White House Spokesman (Former) - Ari Fleischer
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Henry Kissinger
Deputy Secretary of Commerce - Samuel Bodman
Under Secretary of State for Management - Bonnie Cohen
Director of Foreign Service Institute - Ruth Davis


Hmmm....why do we extend citizenship to Israel, and allow politicians to maintain dual citizenship. Who do they have allegiance to? Us or them?
1/6/09 2:27 PM
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I’ve heard that the US has a special agreement with Israel permitting people to be dual US/Israeli citizens. Is this true?

No. It just happens that Israeli citizenship law does not require renunciation of one’s old citizenship in order to become a citizen of Israel.

In this regard, Israel is really treated no differently than Canada, the UK, France, or other countries which permit people to become citizens without giving up their old status.

As best I have been able to determine, the US does not have any sort of treaty facilitating dual citizenship with any other country. Dual citizenship arises, not out of explicit bilateral agreements between nations, but because each country makes its own laws respecting who is or is not its citizen, often without regard for whether a given person is considered a citizen by more than one country at once.

It is interesting to note that Israel’s “Law of Return” (under which any Jew may immigrate to and become a citizen of Israel) confers Israeli citizenship automatically, without the immigrant having to apply for it, attend any ceremony, or swear any oath of allegiance. The Israeli law may originally have been written this way to encourage American Jews to move to Israel; they could, in theory, argue that they had not explicitly requested Israeli citizenship and were thus still entitled to keep their US citizenship. (Note that Mr. Afroyim, subject of Afroyim v. Rusk, was alleged to have lost his US citizenship, not because he had become an Israeli citizen, but because he had voted in an Israeli election.)

During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the US ratified a series of citizenship treaties (the “Bancroft treaties”, named after American diplomat George Bancroft). The intent of these treaties was to prevent dual citizenship by providing for automatic loss of citizenship by foreigners who obtained US citizenship, or by Americans who obtained foreign citizenship. As a result of the various Supreme Court decisions on dual citizenship, however, the Bancroft treaties became legally unenforceable, and all of them have by now been formally abrogated by the US. One of these treaties (the one with Sweden) is mentioned in the Supreme Court’s decision in Perkins v. Elg.
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The Law of Return in Israel is just that.  After the Holocaust Jews from all over the world were told they had somewhere to go.  Not all countries were allowing them in.  The reason they don't have to renounce their original citizenships now is that if the Jews are displaced YET AGAIN, from Israel, they'll have somewhere to go.

Make sense?

For those lucky enough to have made it to the US now find themselves not only with dual citizenships but dual alliegences.  I can't and won't justify treason against the US.  There are bad (lack of a better term) Isrealies in the US and there are Bad Jews in the US.  They should be exposed and brought to Justice.  But, the dual citizenship is extended beyond just polititions, it's extended to everyone eligible.  Now, do you have the skinny on all these polititions?  They are all potentially as bad as Ben Amir Kadish?  I'd say that due to world history Jews being tossed out of so many countries in the past...all Jews, to think it won't happen in today's age is short minded thinking. 

Cases can be made for the small amount of crimes Jews, or Isrealie citizens, have made against the US.  Kadish, Madoff, and others are a black eye to the majority of outstanding Jewish citizens but to be fair Israel and Jewish Americans have done way more good then harm. 

I do not believe this issue is brought up randomly.  Jews and Israel are self critical unlike many of our counterparts who justify what they do.  You want to point out these things fine but your dancing. 

Until there is a legitimate threat against the US that a majority, or even a substantial number of Jews with dual citizenship's are conspiring against the US I'd say then action to recind the dual citizenship be warrented but until that day, it's just another bad guy getting caught trying to make a buck.

I'll find good counter articles for you but that's my take on it.

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 I'm going to leave my initial post in, but I was going to retract it on the basis that after reading a couple of articles I don't think it's cool at all politicians carry dual citizenship. 

I'll say that it's more of an issue than I'm prepaired to debate about.  But I'll say that given the history of Jews in the world being tossed around an answer should be looked at without such conspiracy lenses. 
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This is such a cunnundrum for me.  One side of me says no duel citizenship due to spying issues and leaks in info to Israel.  The other realizes it's not just Jews wanting Israel to succeed it's Christians too.  Jews don't need dual citizenship.  They can move to Israel any time they want due to "Law of Return".  Who would need active duel citizenship would be evengelicals.  They want to influence Israel in a big way.  They want it to succeeed as do the Jews but they want to transform it for their own purposes. 

Without getting into it what's the answer?  US gives more to Palistinians and Egypt then Israel who steal the money, take it and run, Israel however reinvests it into it's countries development and security.  There are more Christian politicians then Jewish, way more.  The US is in the business of helping out Israel and calling it a friend but I'm not sure that's because of the Jews, it's moreso the Christians.  The problem is
Christians want to change it from a Jewish land to a Christian one.  That maybe the reason Jewish politicians are willing to sacrifice their political lives and go to jail for Israel when Christians don't have to.  They steer the ship, so to speak.

Israel may be better off buying from Soviet Union, they'd stand behind Israel taking control of the land and their weapons are cheaper.  But that's a battle between socialism and capatilism and capatalism wins. 

So should Jewish politicians hold duel citizenship?  They don't need to they have it to live in Israel they can for just being Jewish anyway, no duel citizenship necessary.  The question is should Jews serve public office in the US?  That would be discrimination.  And as long as there are Christians lobbying for Israels success who'd need dual citizenship to live there then there will be Jews doing the same thing.

I just think it's Christian smackdown on Jewish politicians to get them out.  Without Jewish politicians lobbying for a Jewish Israel there will only be Christian Lobbyists Lobbying for a Christain Israel.  I think there needs to be MORE Jews holding public office to balance out the playing field if not tipping in in Jewish direction regarding Israel (I am Jewish).  As long as they're doing good work for the US it's just Christian dominated smackdown.  I'm sure they're not getting caught but they're guilty of similar heanous stuff.
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Who's we?  You sound like a socialist ..."We Know"....  When Obama has control over your computer, your bank account, your liberties don't come crying to the people that started and helped create the entire political structure for the constitution to bail you out. 

http://createdequalthebook.com/Publications/The_Case_for_God.pdf

The presumed philosophers wrote a page in the history of constitutional thought, one that would not be written again until the American Founding. It pertains to a highly advanced notion of the separation of powers. Classical Greek political thought understood that in the absence of a strong monarch or a tyrant, factionalism threatened the stability of the polity. It was inevitable that the population would contain rich and poor, nobles and commoners. The stratification of the social order led classical theorists to balance power by allotting a share o the rule to each faction within society.


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Besides the US gives more money to the Palestinians then Israel so stop your bitching.  The US helps Israel a lot less then you think.  What the Israelies do with the money isn't anything like what the Palestinians do with it.  The Palestinians want to suck out as much from the US as possilbe and just destroy our country any way possible.  Israel DOES give back and a lot in many positive ways.  Jews don't want to destroy America like the Arabs do.  Jews want to build it, for the most part, like 99%.  You're just not really looking at what happens, just propeganda.  There are a lot of Obama crazed liberal Jews out there but I'm not one and most of the more religious Jews aren't and they want America to thrive!  Believe it or not.  





   
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Yet another israeli spy that will just get deported back to Israel, even though he is a US citizen. How I would have loved for this guy to serve time in our prisions. Just think of all the situations he would have run thru trying not to get assraped. We will be denied in the end.

Where are all the Israeli shills and Firsters? No doubt they will chime in and profess their love in post after post, all the while dildoing themselves in the ass.
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this is disgusting.

Like I said anti-semitism is the perfect cover for the fools. you talk crap about this . YOU = antisemitic.

Completely disgusting.
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Why doesn't someone bring this to the otherground.
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Israel is shameful.
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Netanyahu (current prime minister of Israel) is on record calling Jonathan Pollard a HERO, and has lobbied for years get him released from prison.

Pollard, a (former) dual Israel-American citizen, is one of the greatest traitors to the United States of all time, and was caught red handed leaking classified American intelligence to Israel.

If some Arab douche did this for a shithole like Yemen ALL of the major news outlets would be calling for his execution. Yet NOBODY in America has heard of this debacle. The media blackout over this story is amazing.


The problem is I don't look down on Zionists for their treachery. They are only engaging in rational self-interest.

It is these drooling, retarded evangelical shabbos goys that I truly despise.

How the fuck are you going to let Israel skull-fuck you in the throat, wipe off the cum with the pages of the New Testament, and then come back and beg for more? You deluded fucks. Shame on you for betraying your faith and your country.
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 Pollard was an American Navel Inteligence Analyst.  He wasn't handing vital American information to the Isrealis like your suggesting.  Netanyahu is applauding him a hero because Pollard gave them information America was deliberately witholding vital to Israels security.  According to a 1983 Memorandum of Understanding between the two countries Israel was legaly entitled to this information.  The exact quotes being submitted as reasons behind Pollards actions were "Mind your own business"  and that "Jews get nervious talking about poison gas, they don't need to know."  Pollard never had a trial about it yet sits in Jail.  Pollard was never indicted for harming the U.S. in any way, not treason only for passing classified information. 

Your vulgarity & disrespect is discusting and it shows your ignorance when you don't even know the facts of the case. 



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http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/119711/pollard-defenders-vindicated

Pollard Defenders Vindicated

After 25 years, the CIA has declassified documents that show Jonathan Pollard never spied on the U.S. for Israel

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http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/03/10/the-truth-about-pollard/

 

Last week, the Knesset took up the issue of Jonathan Pollard, the American Jew who has been serving a life sentence for spying on the United States on behalf of Israel. Knesset Speaker Benjamin Ben-Eliezer praised the spy as a “true Zionist.” Many members joined the 100,000 Israelis who signed a petition calling for Pollard’s release. Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat agreed and said he would nominate Pollard for the prestigious Jerusalem Freedom Award. Pollard’s supporters are hoping this campaign on the eve of President Obama’s trip to Israel will bring attention to the case and lead to his freedom. But they are almost certainly mistaken.

In today’s Haaretz, the paper’s Barak Ravid quotes a “senior American official” as saying that the latest round of public advocacy in Israel on behalf of Pollard is having no impact on President Obama. Though the administration is resigned to being subjected to numerous appeals to release the former U.S. Navy analyst who has been in jail since 1985, none of it is likely to persuade the president to grant clemency to Pollard. Indeed, as the official makes clear, the more Israelis and some American Jews treat the spy like a hero, the less likely Obama or anyone else in a position of authority in Washington is to listen to their appeals. That’s a hard concept for those who are trying to free Pollard to understand but if they are to ever succeed, they must start trying.

As I wrote in the March 2011 issue of COMMENTARY in an in-depth analysis of the case on its 25th anniversary, both sides of the long running argument about Pollard have exaggerated their positions to the point of caricature. Those in the U.S. security establishment have wrongly tried to blame Pollard for American intelligence setbacks at the hands of the former Soviet Union in an effort to justify their desire to continue to make an example of him. But Pollard’s backers have also inflated the value of the espionage that he committed on behalf of Israel while also trying to ignore the far more serious damage he did to the Jewish state by souring relations with its sole superpower ally.

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Irrespective of these exaggerations, Pollard committed a crime for which he deserved serious punishment. But after more than 27 years in jail the case for mercy for the spy is stronger than ever. As I wrote two years ago, his sentence was disproportionate to that given any other person who spied for an ally as opposed to an enemy or rival nation. Nor is there any conceivable security justification for his continued imprisonment. But the biggest mistake that his supporters have continually made over the years is to think that his freedom will ever be won by efforts that cast him as a martyr. It was Pollard’s own foolish boasts along those lines in a “60 Minutes” interview and in discussions with Wolf Blitzer (the CNN star was then a Jerusalem Post reporter) that caused the government to trash the plea bargain agreement with the spy and led to his draconian sentence to life in prison.

Praise from the Knesset and awards from the city of Jerusalem merely repeat these mistakes.

What Pollard’s fans don’t understand is that lionizing the spy merely increases the desire of the U.S. security establishment to keep him in prison to set an example that spies are punished, not set free to play the hero. The vengeful attitude toward Pollard may stem in part from hostility to Israel by some in Washington. But it’s hard to blame them for resenting a campaign that treats a U.S. Navy employee who broke his oath and did real damage to the United States as somehow deserving praise.

But the pro-Pollard Jews just can’t seem to help themselves. One of the main lessons of 20th century history for Jews was that they couldn’t afford to be silent in the face of a threat or injustice. Such silence or a reliance on traditional modes of quiet diplomacy failed them in the greatest crisis of modern Jewish history during the Holocaust. A desire not to make the same mistake helped inspire the movements to free Soviet Jewry and to support Israel. It inspired in many Jews an understandable contempt for behind-the-scenes diplomacy or reticence on any issue. But it was that discredited strategy of quiet outreach rather than aggressive advocacy that was always the only formula to help free Pollard.

Had the issue been framed solely on the concept that Pollard was a misguided soul who erred but deserved mercy, he probably would have been out of jail a long time ago. But the attempt to cast him as an American “prisoner of Zion” merely strengthened the hands of those U.S. officials who have always been the roadblock to clemency.

At this point, it’s hard to imagine any circumstance in the immediate future that will lead Obama or his successor to free Pollard. But if there is to be any hope, it must begin with the spy’s supporters dropping any mention of anything but a desire for mercy for a man who has already been severely punished. If they ever want to see him freed, there must be an end to awards or rhetoric about his commitment to Zionism.

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That would only mean that terrorists are everywhere.
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attack_tactic - Netanyahu (current prime minister of Israel) is on record calling Jonathan Pollard a HERO, and has lobbied for years get him released from prison.

Pollard, a (former) dual Israel-American citizen, is one of the greatest traitors to the United States of all time, and was caught red handed leaking classified American intelligence to Israel.

If some Arab douche did this for a shithole like Yemen ALL of the major news outlets would be calling for his execution. Yet NOBODY in America has heard of this debacle. The media blackout over this story is amazing.


The problem is I don't look down on Zionists for their treachery. They are only engaging in rational self-interest.

It is these drooling, retarded evangelical shabbos goys that I truly despise.

How the fuck are you going to let Israel skull-fuck you in the throat, wipe off the cum with the pages of the New Testament, and then come back and beg for more? You deluded fucks. Shame on you for betraying your faith and your country.

Quoting this again because it's so true.

 

 

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Just showing this because the fact of the matter is - Israel has a right to exist and Pollard has served his time.


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