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5/29/09 12:29 AM
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“I would never cross-promote. Regarding Fedor, he either wants to come over and fight here or he doesn’t. If he came over and wanted to fight I’d do a deal with him in a minute. You know we’ve been chasing him since we bought Pride. In my opinion, I think it’s going to happen. He’d [...]

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5/29/09 9:25 PM
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I've given up hope of seeing Fedor in the Octagon. Plus...It's the year of The Babyfaced Assassin anyways. Wonder what kind of deal Dana will put together for Josh once he dethrones the king?
5/29/09 9:26 PM
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Further more...Fedor is destroying his own legacy. He will go down in history as the best fighter who never proved it on the big stage. Simple as that.
5/29/09 10:46 PM
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 So because Fedor won't be Dana's lap dog and not fight Brock then he is destroying his legacy?
5/29/09 10:51 PM
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According to Dana White, Fedor 'sucks', is a 'farce', is 'overrated' and has never fought anyone.
5/29/09 10:54 PM
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MATA-LEÃO -  So because Fedor won't be Dana's lap dog and not fight Brock then he is destroying his legacy?

Fighting on all the smaller shows is not fighting in front of the world. The eyes of the world watch UFC. Fedor needs to enter the octagon to cement his legacy. Problem is...I think he waited too long. That career is at it's end now, he is ready to lose.

5/29/09 10:59 PM
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EvilMaster - Further more...Fedor is destroying his own legacy. He will go down in history as the best fighter who never proved it on the big stage. Simple as that.

 Riiiight.  You think he cares about his "legacy"?  Who does the UFC have to give him a better fight than the fights he has already faced at HW?  Carwin?  Lesnar?  Give me a fucking break.
5/29/09 11:01 PM
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Fighting on all the smaller shows is not fighting in front of the world. The eyes of the world watch UFC. Fedor needs to enter the octagon to cement his legacy. Problem is...I think he waited too long. That career is at it's end now, he is ready to lose.



 what has happened to make you think his career is at an end? 

even if he does lose....his career is over?
5/29/09 11:01 PM
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EvilMaster - Further more...Fedor is destroying his own legacy. He will go down in history as the best fighter who never proved it on the big stage. Simple as that.

Pride was "the big stage" - especially for the HW division at the time.

And Fedor already more than "proved it on the big stage" - by thoroughly dominating that biggest stage possible before the UFC ever became "the big stage" itself with TUF.

Only the "newer" fans could think the UFC (and especially its HW division) has been the only "big stage" in MMA history. Simple as that.
5/29/09 11:02 PM
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The UFC is the biggest MMA title on the planet. Fedor has never reached that level. He is the undisputed king of the minor league. He doesn't have that superbowl ring.
5/29/09 11:22 PM
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EvilMaster - The UFC is the biggest MMA title on the planet. Fedor has never reached that level. He is the undisputed king of the minor league. He doesn't have that superbowl ring.

Since when was the UFC's version of a HW championship "the biggest MMA title on the planet"?

The UFC hasn't had a single HW who was either ranked #1 in the world or considered the best in MMA since 1997 - after ALL of their current and previous HW Champions left the UFC. Including both Randy, the reigning UFC HW Champion, and Mark Kerr, the reigning UFC HW Tournament Champion (who was considered the best at the time).

And since then, the UFC's HW division has historically been considered substandard.

It's been over 11 years now since the UFC has had any HW who was even arguably the best or #1 in the world by any standard of definition.

And after Pride emerged, the UFC did not have the HW division that was historically considered the best - or the HW championship that has historically been considered the most meaningful and significant.

Meanwhile, Fedor has been the universally ranked #1 in the world now for over 6 years straight - and had dominated a higher league than the UFC's own HW division.

While no UFC HW champion has been ranked #1 or considered the best in MMA for over a decade.

So historically the UFC's HW division and championship has hardly been the "superbowl ring" of MMA.
5/29/09 11:26 PM
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That may be the case. But it doesn't change the public perception. MMA fans worldwide consider the UFC Championship Title to be the biggest Title on the planet. That's all there is to it. The UFC really is the superbowl of MMA. Why Fedor has opted to stay out of the biggest MMA event on earth is beyond me.

I agree that Fedor is the best fighter on the planet. Everyone here with a brain knows that. But we are the hardcore community. The average casual fan still doesn't even know who the hell Fedor is.
5/29/09 11:52 PM
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colesdaddyismydaddy - barnett is going to get his over rated ass handed to him inside 3 minutes.

Blasphemy!
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 A:  Let's use some common sense.  Why do you think Dana is saying Fedor is overrated?  He's doing it to fire him up to come to UFC and prove Dana wrong.  Dana's tactics will only help the fans with this situation.

B:  Fedor not signing with the UFC is 100% not Dana's fault.  Dana has signed the biggest names in MMA and worked with people he doesn't like several times.  If Dana can basically sign every fighter in the business except Fedor..then there has to be something wrong with Fedor, not Dana. 
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EvilMaster - The UFC is the biggest MMA title on the planet. Fedor has never reached that level. He is the undisputed king of the minor league. He doesn't have that superbowl ring.

 Is this a serious post?
Honest question.
 
5/30/09 12:05 AM
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Why wouldn't it be?
5/30/09 12:08 AM
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If Dana can basically sign every fighter in the business except Fedor..then there has to be something wrong with Fedor, not Dana. 


I dunno. Dana trashtalks Fedor (and others), Fedor never trashtalks Dana or anyone else. When Arlovskis camp insulted Fedor's hands, all he said was "I have my weaknesses and I'm working on them".

Fedor has been a class act his whole career, I'd be stupid to take Dana's word over his.
5/30/09 12:11 AM
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How many fighters have ever been signed to ANY MMA org on the planet and got a fucking MMA Stadium built in their home town as a signing bonus???? Actually...Has any athlete from any sport ever gotten something like that??

Fedor just does NOT want to fight in the big show for some reason.
5/30/09 12:21 AM
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EvilMaster - How many fighters have ever been signed to ANY MMA org on the planet and got a fucking MMA Stadium built in their home town as a signing bonus???? Actually...Has any athlete from any sport ever gotten something like that??

Fedor just does NOT want to fight in the big show for some reason.


Affliction's not building Fedor a stadium so I call bullshit on that being a demand. The exclusivity clause is probably the real sticking point for both parties.
5/30/09 12:23 AM
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lcarus - Would the fighters prefer to hold the UFC HW title or the Affliction/Wamma title. I'm pretty sure we all know the answer


I think most fighters would prefer to hold the Affliction/Wamma title because it would have meant they beat Fedor to get it.
5/30/09 12:29 AM
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EvilMaster - That may be the case. But it doesn't change the public perception. MMA fans worldwide consider the UFC Championship Title to be the biggest Title on the planet.

Like I said - it's "the biggest Title on the planet" only to the TUF-indoctrinated "newer" fans. Whose only definition of "MMA" and knowledge of Championship "history" has been shallowly and exclusively post-TUF UFC.
EvilMaster - Why Fedor has opted to stay out of the biggest MMA event on earth is beyond me.

Here are Fedor's own words as to why he "opted to stay out of the biggest MMA event on earth" - and why he felt it was "simply impossible" for him to sign that UFC contract that was offered to him:
"The contract that we were presented with by the UFC was simply impossible, couldn't be signed -- I couldn't leave. If I won, I had to fight eight times in two years. If I lost one fight, then the UFC had the right to rip up the contract. At the conclusion of the contract, if I am undefeated, then it automatically extends for an as yet unspecified period of time, though for the same compensation.

"Basically I can't leave undefeated. I can't give interviews, appear in films or advertising. I don't have the right to do anything without the UFC's agreement. I could do nothing without the OK from the UFC. I didn't have the right to compete in combat sambo competition. It's my national sport. It's the Russian sport, which in his time our president competed in, and I no longer have the right to do so. There were many such clauses; the contract was 18 pages in length. It was written in such a way that I had absolutely no rights while the UFC could at any moment, if something didn't suit them, tear up the agreement. We worked with lawyers who told us that it was patently impossible to sign such a document."

(http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/3/finding-fedor-10538)

So Fedor didn't want to be locked down into an automatically extending contract - which would never let him leave as long as he kept on winning - but which could then be terminated at will by the UFC, once he lost.

This contract would also be strictly exclusive, while not being guaranteed.

Fedor also objected to signing a contract which would require him to give up the rights to his name and likeness - and also place additional restrictions upon his legal rights and personal freedoms which he considers important to him (such as the ability to keep competing in combat sambo).

So instead, Fedor signed a contract with someone else that still paid him big money - but which was far less restrictive, both legally and personally.

So are those reasons why Fedor "opted to stay out of" the UFC really "beyond" your understanding?
5/30/09 12:31 AM
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HardHittingHeeb - Affliction's not building Fedor a stadium.

That's my point. He went to a small unknown org with no outrageous demands and he is making way less money than the UFC offered him. The crazy ass demands were only for the UFC. This tells me that Fedor does NOT want any part of fighting for the UFC.

If he had come to the UFC with the purchase of PRIDE. And remained undefeated to this point...He would be a household name by now and would be swimming in money. Instead...He is fighting on a show that nobody even knows exists for a few hundred grand a showing. Crazy stuff.
5/30/09 12:32 AM
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whistleblower - Like I said - it's "the biggest Title on the planet" only to the TUF-indoctrinated "newer" fans. Whose only definition of "MMA" and knowledge of Championship "history" has been shallowly and exclusively post-TUF UFC.

No...It's the biggest title on the planet to everyone who knows anything about MMA.
5/30/09 12:34 AM
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HardHittingHeeb - Affliction's not building Fedor a stadium.

That's my point. He went to a small unknown org with no outrageous demands and he is making way less money than the UFC offered him. The crazy ass demands were only for the UFC. This tells me that Fedor does NOT want any part of fighting for the UFC.

If he had come to the UFC with the purchase of PRIDE. And remained undefeated to this point...He would be a household name by now and would be swimming in money. Instead...He is fighting on a show that nobody even knows exists for a few hundred grand a showing. Crazy stuff.


He's getting freedom, which he cares about more than money. I don't think fighting 3 former ufc champs in a row is taking the easy road.
5/30/09 12:35 AM
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Welp...Hope he enjoys his freedom.

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