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7/11/09 10:53 AM
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Mica Kizbig
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Since moving away, I dont have the weekly games at the friends house so I am thinking about going to the casino to play for the first time.

My options are the $1/$2 tables for a cash game or $60buy in tourneys. How much would I need to sit at the 1/2 tables?

I know winning a big pot and bolting for the door would be a no no but how do you leave? Just say, ok im going to finish up in a half hour or something to that effect?
7/11/09 8:56 PM
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My options are the $1/$2 tables for a cash game or $60buy in tourneys. How much would I need to sit at the 1/2 tables?


depends on a lot of things, like style and bankroll. but $200 is pretty standard for 1 buy in.


I know winning a big pot and bolting for the door would be a no no but how do you leave? Just say, ok im going to finish up in a half hour or something to that effect?

leave when ever you want imo. i really dont think it matters at all if you leave after a big pot. i usualy leave when i want to go and its my turn to post the big blind. just say "deal me out" rack up and leave.
7/12/09 1:20 AM
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I second that. Always wait for the BB to come your way, even if you have mentally checked out. Fold everything except AA if you don't want to play anymore but stick around for the free cards at least.
7/12/09 3:04 PM
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Playing at a casino, you don't need to worry about leaving after a big win. There are hundreds / thousands of players, so it might be a while before you see the same guys again.
7/13/09 1:15 PM
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1) Leave anytime you want, even if you win a huge pot on your first hand.

2) Don't string bet -- Unless you say "raise", don't use more than one motion to put your chips in for a raise. In other words, don't put $10 in, then reach back into your stack and add another $5. If you say raise, you can do so, however. Much better to figure out how much you are going to raise and do it all in one motion.

3) Don't act out of turn.

4) Don't show the cards you are folding to anyone in the hand. Don't talk about your hand with anyone until the hand is over.

5) Don't slow-roll. If you have the winning hand, turn it over immediately. Don't turn one card over and then turn the winning card over after it. In fact, if it gets to the showdown, win or lose, you should turn your cards over, in my opinion. There are times when you zone out and don't realize you have hit a straight or flush and if you muck your hand without turning it over, you lose. Obviously you shouldn't show your hand if you are folding.

6) Don't correct someone's bad play. Don't give anyone a free lesson. If he just made a ridiculous call and got lucky, reassure him that it was a good play. You want him to keep trying to get lucky. The last thing you want is for him to tighten up.

7) Don't overtip. Especially at the $1-$2 tables it is tough to beat the rake. Don't make it worse by overtipping. If I win a normal sized hand I'll tip a $1. If I take down the blinds I don't tip anything. If I suck out with a lucky card that wins me a big pot, I'll tip $2, even $3, but even that isnt necessary. I do it because I play there every day and I like the dealers.

8) Don't ask to see another player's hand if he mucks them at the showdown. First, it's rude. More importantly, it is possible that he misread his hand and asking to turn them over could give him the win if the dealer or anyone else notices that he had the best hand.
7/14/09 2:22 AM
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andre pretty much got everything. But I just want to mention #5 again. One casino near me is sooooo bad with this, players will take so much time to roll their cards after all the betting is done. Not only does it make them look like douchebags, but it really slows down the game when it's happening nearly every hand.

Also #6 is good. I don't understand why people will bitch at others and give them advice on how their play was wrong. You WANT the other players to make mistakes in their play, so it doesn't make sense to give them advice and make them better.
7/14/09 2:23 AM
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See andre's #6, I hate the know it all's who do that
7/14/09 6:41 PM
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stop. use as much bad etiquitte as you can get away with, especially on the 1/2. alot of players don't know the rules anyways, and if they call you on your bad etiquette, they're most likely assholes themselves and seeking attention.

i like to do a semi-string bet. take a stack of chips in your hand, more than what you would bet, and put the amount you want, then draw back the rest. just make sure your hand does not leave the stack you put in. some asshole might force the dealer to make you put the whole stack in.

bet out of turn, as much as you can get away with before they call the floor. it might set you up for a big play. for example, you got the nuts, but have an aggressive player in front of you who is taking his time. bet out of turn and maybe the guy might stop your play and bet out himself as a defensive play. remember, if you bet out of turn, it is committed. however, if someone in front of you stops you and either calls or raises, you can take your bet back or do whatever you want.

take your time, frustrate the other players. slow-roll any chance you have. though in most cash games, when even money is in the pot, you are allowed to see anybody's cards at showdown. but its better to make it seem like you're an amateur and don't know the casino rules, so slow-roll when out of position for a free look at another players hand without calling attention to yourself as someone who knows the rules. the chance that he misread his hand and will muck it is minimal relative to the advantage you get by getting more information about your opponents hand range.

"correct" the play of good players. shout out wrong odds. lecture people on how stupid some players are for not knowing the odds. it'll make you look like an idiot and an asshole. beautiful. always try to get the good players off their game, and try to make the bad super-tight players comfortable. applaud their bad players. get them relaxed and they might try something creative and stupid. i usually try to sit next to bad players and become their friend at the table. poker at times is so boring that most people talk to the person next to them. relax the bad players. get them to think your their friend. when you get into a hand with them that you think you are losing to a marginal hand, you can try a bluff and tell them to get out of the hand. friends don't dick each other over, right?

perfect which front you want to present, which face you want to put on to the table. consider being the asshole. everyone wants to take down the asshole.
7/15/09 11:23 AM
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Depending on the casino, slam's advice could get you shot.
7/15/09 11:30 AM
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Thats what I was thinking, lol.
7/15/09 12:37 PM
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andre-wierd that you mention that. a strange poker murder occurred in the last several years in AC.

two guys were arguing over a seat at the taj. one guy had sat down without asking the floor. when the guy next in line gets to the table, they get in an argument over the seat. he calls the floor and the guy who didn't get in line is told to stand. he gets really pissed off and leaves, but waits right outside. the guy who got the seat takes a cigarette break and goes outside. the two meet again outside and have a little brawl. for some reason, the guy who got the seat has a cane, and beats the shit out of the other guy. the other guy, runs to his car, gets a knife and waits outside again. when the guy with the cane takes another cig break, he gets his throat slit.

this was at the lowest limit game in the taj at that time, either a 1/2 or 2/4 LIMIT game.

true story.

btw, I'm not saying use bad etiquette all the time. but try it out. bad etiquette is not illegal, it won't get you thrown out. the only thing that may get you thrown out is making too much noise or cursing. and if you stay away from the low limit games, you probably won't get murdered.
7/16/09 9:39 PM
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slam1523 - stop. use as much bad etiquitte as you can get away with, especially on the 1/2. alot of players don't know the rules anyways, and if they call you on your bad etiquette, they're most likely assholes themselves and seeking attention.

i like to do a semi-string bet. take a stack of chips in your hand, more than what you would bet, and put the amount you want, then draw back the rest. just make sure your hand does not leave the stack you put in. some asshole might force the dealer to make you put the whole stack in.

bet out of turn, as much as you can get away with before they call the floor. it might set you up for a big play. for example, you got the nuts, but have an aggressive player in front of you who is taking his time. bet out of turn and maybe the guy might stop your play and bet out himself as a defensive play. remember, if you bet out of turn, it is committed. however, if someone in front of you stops you and either calls or raises, you can take your bet back or do whatever you want.

take your time, frustrate the other players. slow-roll any chance you have. though in most cash games, when even money is in the pot, you are allowed to see anybody's cards at showdown. but its better to make it seem like you're an amateur and don't know the casino rules, so slow-roll when out of position for a free look at another players hand without calling attention to yourself as someone who knows the rules. the chance that he misread his hand and will muck it is minimal relative to the advantage you get by getting more information about your opponents hand range.

"correct" the play of good players. shout out wrong odds. lecture people on how stupid some players are for not knowing the odds. it'll make you look like an idiot and an asshole. beautiful. always try to get the good players off their game, and try to make the bad super-tight players comfortable. applaud their bad players. get them relaxed and they might try something creative and stupid. i usually try to sit next to bad players and become their friend at the table. poker at times is so boring that most people talk to the person next to them. relax the bad players. get them to think your their friend. when you get into a hand with them that you think you are losing to a marginal hand, you can try a bluff and tell them to get out of the hand. friends don't dick each other over, right?

perfect which front you want to present, which face you want to put on to the table. consider being the asshole. everyone wants to take down the asshole.

 Awesome.
10/25/09 8:14 PM
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I haven't been back to the Casino because I beat a guys ass in the parking lot for Slow Rolling me
11/6/09 1:53 PM
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"remember, if you bet out of turn, it is committed. however, if someone in front of you stops you and either calls or raises, you can take your bet back or do whatever you want."


your money is committed if he calls. only if the guy in front of you raises can you take your bet back, and not in every casino.
11/6/09 9:04 PM
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MakeItRain - I haven't been back to the Casino because I beat a guys ass in the parking lot for Slow Rolling me



You gave me a pretty good beating man. I really didn't mean to slowroll you that bad. I guess I deserved my beating though. I still took your chips.
11/8/09 8:12 AM
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slam1523 - andre-wierd that you mention that. a strange poker murder occurred in the last several years in AC.

two guys were arguing over a seat at the taj. one guy had sat down without asking the floor. when the guy next in line gets to the table, they get in an argument over the seat. he calls the floor and the guy who didn't get in line is told to stand. he gets really pissed off and leaves, but waits right outside. the guy who got the seat takes a cigarette break and goes outside. the two meet again outside and have a little brawl. for some reason, the guy who got the seat has a cane, and beats the shit out of the other guy. the other guy, runs to his car, gets a knife and waits outside again. when the guy with the cane takes another cig break, he gets his throat slit.

this was at the lowest limit game in the taj at that time, either a 1/2 or 2/4 LIMIT game.

true story.

btw, I'm not saying use bad etiquette all the time. but try it out. bad etiquette is not illegal, it won't get you thrown out. the only thing that may get you thrown out is making too much noise or cursing. and if you stay away from the low limit games, you probably won't get murdered.



Doesn't suprise me one second that that happened at the Taj.
11/14/09 1:24 AM
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I think Negreanu's table strategy is best - be friendly to everyone so it's fun for the fish and hurts them less when they lose to you.
11/30/09 1:40 AM
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String betting is the biggest mistake new players make. Every one grew up watching players in movies and TV say, "I see your $10, and raise you $50." If you did that in a casino it would be a call and you would have to take back your raise.

As for slow rolling, I always hold back my cards until I have to show, especially in cash games. The rule is that the last person to bet or raise is supposed to show his first. If I catch some one on a bluff I want to know what kind of bluff it was. Was it a stone cold bluff, a semi-bluff, or did he have an underpair? Also if you can get a guy to show his winning hand out of turn you can fold your loosing hand with out revealing what you had.

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