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10/3/09 2:21 PM
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kidpresentable
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 Maybe this has been suggested before but I have a way to stop fighters from missing weight. 

Still let the fight go on; it is not fair to punish the fighter who made weight by taking away his fight/the money he will earn from the fight.  Afterwards, the fighter who missed weight should be suspended just as if he had failed a drug test.  Afterall, are they all that disimilar (I almost wrote unsimilar, lol).  The fighter has an unfair advantage due to not following a commission regulation. 

What says you UG?  And if anyone like Kizer or Kurle see this, I would be especially interested in your thoughts. 
10/3/09 2:26 PM
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 Bxing has tons of weight classes and they still miss.  Frankly, I don't understand how anyone misses weight.  
10/3/09 2:35 PM
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I would argue they did do something against the rules.  You are agreeing to fight at a certain weight much you like agree not to use performance nehancing drugs.  And much like performance enhancing drugs, you have an advantage over the opponent in that you are bigger and stronger and faster because you didn't use energy to cut weight.
10/3/09 2:37 PM
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Didn't McKee and Prater both miss? The fight was fucking terrible any way you slice it. At least it was 15 minutes of pain rather than watching that for 25 min.
10/3/09 2:45 PM
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I support this idea though I think it needs some fleshing out. I think instead of a suspension there should be a HUGE cut to their purse instead.

So the fight happens, there is no decisions or renegotiations or changing to catch-weight but the fighter who missed weight losses half or 60% of his purse.
10/3/09 2:53 PM
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Fighters will still cut weight and you will simply have more dehydrated fighters fighting; this will lead to lackluster fights and is dangerous as the probability of brain injury is greater because there is less fluid in the brain
10/3/09 2:56 PM
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 So then a fighter who missed weight might be better off not taking that fight - especially big name fighters who could easily fight on the next ppv event.
10/3/09 3:02 PM
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McKee did not miss weight, you ARE allowed that 1 lb for title fights under the commision they fought under.

I agree with you , but tweek it a little. If the commisions take a larger percentage of their purse and award it to the opponent plus a mandatory suspension. This would really hit them hard.

And them not making weight is no different than taking steroids , imo. They are coming in with an unfair advantage of size , strength, stamina from not having to cut as hard which basically immitates steroids.
10/3/09 3:05 PM
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lifeaftrprison - McKee did not miss weight, you ARE allowed that 1 lb for title fights under the commision they fought under.

I agree with you , but tweek it a little. If the commisions take a larger percentage of their purse and award it to the opponent plus a mandatory suspension. This would really hit them hard.

And them not making weight is no different than taking steroids , imo. They are coming in with an unfair advantage of size , strength, stamina from not having to cut as hard which basically immitates steroids.

 
10/3/09 3:05 PM
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kidpresentable - Fighters will still cut weight and you will simply have more dehydrated fighters fighting; this will lead to lackluster fights and is dangerous as the probability of brain injury is greater because there is less fluid in the brain
Absolutely. This is why I am actually in favor of weighs 2 DAYS before a fight. Everyone crys and moans about soccer kicks and stomps meanwhile it's ok to have guys total dehydrated risking serious brain injury. So ass backwards this sport........
10/3/09 3:18 PM
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I seem to recall that at least one fighter said they would not fight an opponent that didn't make weight, took their paycheck, and headed for the door.

Don't opponents get the option to fight at a catchweight...OR NOT? I like this idea.

The fighter that didn't make weight should then get NOTHING. His trainers should get NOTHING. His coaches and managers should get NOTHING.
10/3/09 3:20 PM
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 That is tough because what do you do with guys like myself who are too small for 185 but nbig for 170?  You can make more weight classes but you will still have that problem unless you make so many classes that the sport is watered down like boxing.
10/3/09 3:22 PM
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sounds like a good idea to me
10/3/09 3:23 PM
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I think the opponent should have the option of fighting. If he chooses not to fight, he gets his show and win money. If he chooses to fight, he gets his show and the win money regardless of the outcome plus 25% of opponent show money.
10/3/09 3:27 PM
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kidpresentable -  That is tough because what do you do with guys like myself who are too small for 185 but big for 170? 


You pick one and make damn sure you aren't too big (or small) for it. Put weight on, take it off...whatever.
10/3/09 3:28 PM
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 I think in Japan it used to be a chunk of your purse to the other fighter for every pound you were over. 

I like that.  10% of your purse to the person who made weight for every pound you're over.  You're over 5 pounds, he gets half your purse.

It's ridiculous and shouldn't happen.  If it does, the other guy should get something from it because he has to fight you, you overweight bastard!
10/3/09 3:37 PM
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kidpresentable - Fighters will still cut weight and you will simply have more dehydrated fighters fighting; this will lead to lackluster fights and is dangerous as the probability of brain injury is greater because there is less fluid in the brain
This^^^^

Plus, a suspension will take away sponsorship opportunities from the offending fighter. Unfortunately, just taking a certain percentage of said fighter's purse does not account for the thousands (at least on bigger shows) that they will still make in sponsorship. I think mandatory suspension is a much better choice than the current system.


 
10/3/09 3:49 PM
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Are you suggesting the fight goes on regardless of the weight difference?

I think the number of individuals who consistently miss weight could be minimized if their opponents did just as DJLastCall suggests and take their show money and go home, or if the promoter told them the fight was off.

I certainly see your point about suspension, I just have a hard time making it work in my head, when after the fighter initially misses weight I tell them as well as the promoter that as far as I am concerned the fight is off. So they then renegotiate a new catchweight contract.

Sorry my response is a little "unjointed", I will think about it some more.
10/3/09 4:18 PM
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P.V.Jena -  So then a fighter who missed weight might be better off not taking that fight - especially big name fighters who could easily fight on the next ppv event.



THIS
10/3/09 4:21 PM
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Kurle - Are you suggesting the fight goes on regardless of the weight difference?

I think the number of individuals who consistently miss weight could be minimized if their opponents did just as DJLastCall suggests and take their show money and go home, or if the promoter told them the fight was off.

I certainly see your point about suspension, I just have a hard time making it work in my head, when after the fighter initially misses weight I tell them as well as the promoter that as far as I am concerned the fight is off. So they then renegotiate a new catchweight contract.

Sorry my response is a little "unjointed", I will think about it some more.

The fight goes on if the opponent wishes it to; I have a hard time punishing the opponent for the fighter's missing weight.  When you train for a fight for 3 months, you want to fight whether or not the guy is 2 ounds over, on sdteroids or anything else. 
 
10/3/09 4:38 PM
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I guess in my mind it is more of a contract thing than anything else.

Fighter A makes weight, Fighter B does not. Fighter B now can't fulfill his contract. There is no fight.

Don't get me wrong, I recognize the problem, but I am just not sure what the right answer is...
10/3/09 5:35 PM
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Kurle - I guess in my mind it is more of a contract thing than anything else.

Fighter A makes weight, Fighter B does not. Fighter B now can't fulfill his contract. There is no fight.

Don't get me wrong, I recognize the problem, but I am just not sure what the right answer is...


The problem with that is then Fighter A misses out on his/her sponsorship money and win bonus. So you would be technically punishing fighter A as well.
10/3/09 5:41 PM
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plus if they are named gina, kaitlin or meisha, they have to make weight without the towel.....
10/3/09 5:44 PM
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buvaiser - plus if they are named gina, kaitlin or meisha, they have to make weight without the towel.....

 let's add in Roy Nelson..



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10/3/09 5:51 PM
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The stiffer the penalty, the less likely you'll miss weight the next time around.

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