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10/24/09 5:09 PM
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andre
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I think I'm a decent player (with a LOT to learn), and if I were single I'd probably pursue poker even more seriously than I do now, but I dont have the patience to play cash games at stakes I can really afford. Based on my income and bankroll, I should be playing on the $1/$2 tables, but I refuse to play anything less than the $2/$5 and often the $5/$5. My cash game is pretty good and I could probably do well with a solid bankroll, but I just dont have that bankroll to spare.

So I think I'm going to play a live tournament every two weeks and deposit some money and play low buy in sit n go's in between. I love the game, but being that Im married I just cant risk anymore money.

Any thoughts?
10/24/09 5:09 PM
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By the way, my goal will be to win a satellite into the WSOP main event. I think my tournament play is much better than my cash play anyway.
10/24/09 8:32 PM
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Family comes first imo, and if you think it is going to interfere that much with your marriage then you are making the right choice. Obviously poker is a very time consuming game. However, lots of money to be made in tournaments so all you need is a couple big scores.
10/25/09 9:09 AM
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andre - but I dont have the patience to play cash games at stakes I can really afford.


why? Get over this. You can make lots of money at 1/2.

andre - Based on my income and bankroll, I should be playing on the $1/$2 tables, but I refuse to play anything less than the $2/$5 and often the $5/$5


Leak.

andre - My cash game is pretty good and I could probably do well with a solid bankroll, but I just dont have that bankroll to spare.


How about play some 1/2 and build that roll up, like every winning player had to do?

andre - I think my tournament play is much better than my cash play anyway.


Almost everyone thinks this... its because cash games have a lot more and harder decisions that just dont happen in tournaments. Be careful not to be fooled by this quirk of the game.

andre - I love the game, but being that Im married I just cant risk anymore money.


You should never be risking money that would impact the family's welfare in a negative way anyway.


It sounds like you are simply just playing above your bankroll. I preach endlessly about how proper bankroll management is almost as important as actually playing the game well.

Good luck Andre, regardless of what you decide.
10/25/09 1:12 PM
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I appreciate the responses, guys. I have to admit that I made this thread while steaming after I spent four hours on the $3/$5 table building up a stack to $1200 to look down at pocket aces and end up all in preflop against the loose aggressive guy at the table who had $1000 in front of him. He turns over jacks, I turn over my aces and there is a damn jack right on the flop...and it holds up, of course.

The rational side of me knows that I want him to make that call every time, but shipping the money over to him was particularly painful at that moment and I came home immediately and posted.

Of course that doesnt change the fact that I am playing above the limit my bankroll demands.

I think Im going to play a few tournaments anyway and try to build my bankroll that way. Once I have $10,000+ I will become a regular cash game player again.

I just cant go to the $1/$2...the buy in for it (I dont play online) is $40...It's like limit poker and I just cant handle the bad beats and the rake (which is the same as the rake at the higher limits so really there is no way to beat the game).
10/25/09 2:38 PM
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If I may ask, why don't you play online?
10/25/09 5:53 PM
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Spuds, here are my reasons:

1) the games are much tougher online.

2) I grow distracted when playing online.

3) I enjoy the feel of the chips and the particular reads I get when I play live.

4) the casino is ten minutes from home so it is very convenient.
10/25/09 7:00 PM
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Ahhhhh, that makes sense now, $40 max is lame.

Andre, FWIW if you have a proper bankroll, taking a beat like AA losing to JJ AIPF is much less stressful.
10/25/09 7:48 PM
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Forty bucks? Wow. The minimum here is 100 with a max of 200 bucks
10/26/09 12:10 PM
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PR - Ahhhhh, that makes sense now, $40 max is lame.

Andre, FWIW if you have a proper bankroll, taking a beat like AA losing to JJ AIPF is much less stressful.


Thanks, PR...I'm sure you are absolutely right. Ive definitely had my aces cracked before, but this time was rough because I had worked pretty hard to triple up only to lose it all on a two-outer.
10/26/09 6:20 PM
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Although I often question PR's sexuality, I never question his poker knowledge.

Bang on.

:)
10/27/09 5:10 AM
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andre - Thanks, PR...I'm sure you are absolutely right. Ive definitely had my aces cracked before, but this time was rough because I had worked pretty hard to triple up only to lose it all on a two-outer.


Yeah true, it's like 3 bad beats in one.
10/27/09 11:21 AM
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PR,

Do you ever make it out to L.A.? Please let me know if you ever do. It would be great to meet you.

Thanks.
10/27/09 12:36 PM
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maybe, if you are able to, play more hours in one session rather than play 4-5 hours at a time.

Sometimes I need to get into the groove, or I'm trying to set up a table image, and that takes time, at least several hours. also, if you're following the fish around after they get stacked from table to table, that takes time as well, finding where they went, waiting for a seat to open, waiting for them to make a mistake.

In addition, if I start off playing one way and I get stacked, I will usually play at the same table and play the opposite way, because of their first impression of me. I get better action that way. Therefore, I usually play a 24-36 hour session once a week. My most successful session was a 48 hour one. The dealers told me that about several months ago, a guy came in with a buy-in at the 1/2 table on Monday, played for a week, never left the poker room other than the occasional bathroom break and meal, left with $10,000 on Sunday.

Especially where the stacks at the table are much greater than the max buy-in, like the $40 1/2 game, I would think you would need to stay there for a while to build up a stack to work with. This is a strategy I see at the capped 10/20 game. People will come early Saturday, when the tables are just starting up and there are no big stacks. They might use multiple buy-ins, but once they get a big stack, they'll start dominating the table, forcing everyone with a smaller stack to play the shove game.
10/27/09 3:23 PM
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"Do you ever make it out to L.A.? Please let me know if you ever do. It would be great to meet you"

Now I'm questioning Andre's...


j/k ;)
10/27/09 5:04 PM
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lol...

Of course after making this thread I went on to have three monster winning sessions.

The last one was amazing. I turn broadway but there are two hearts, two clubs on the board. Im holding AJ of spades. A guy before me shoves, I shove, and two other players shove. One is on a heart draw, one is on a club draw, and the first person who shoved had flopped two pair.

The river was an innocent 7 of diamonds and I took down an $800 pot with my straight. :)
10/27/09 6:50 PM
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andre - PR,

Do you ever make it out to L.A.? Please let me know if you ever do. It would be great to meet you.

Thanks.


Yes I do, every couple years usually. I briefly entertained flying down there to watch my Vancouver Canucks play the Kings on Thursday, but no one would go with me. If I do I'll make sure to tell you.
10/27/09 6:51 PM
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lol@JHR

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