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11/20/09 9:25 PM
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There was a thread on the UG about footwear or lack thereof being a consideration for a difference in MMA and Boxing striking.

This got me thinking about it the other way around. The vast majority of martial arts train barefoot, and the vast majority of people who train martial arts wear shoes. Also a lot of martial arts train with clothes offering far more mobility than what they normally wear.

If you wear dress shoes with a leather sole and a raised heel, do you train in them? Do you at least wear running shoes some of the time that you train? Even if you do wear shoes are they specialised shoes like wrestling and boxing shoes? If you wear fitted jeans, do you train in them? Do you wear a button down shirt that affects your shoulder mobility, or do you wear a full tie rather than a clip on for someone to choke you with?

I figure there's probably some variance with this. I'm into barefooting, so I walk around in Vibram FiveFingers, or very flat soled shoes. I've walked in Wrestling shoes before, and the shoes I'm currently wearing are Feiyues that are often used in Kung Fu (mainly because they're really cheap and also comfortable). I've also made sure to train in every pair of pants I have (I have one pair of dress pants I haven't trained in, but they've got elastane in them, so I know I've got full mobility for them). 2 pairs of pants don't have any stretch but have a cut allowing for full mobility, 3 have stretch built into them, 1 has rather limited mobility but I can work around it. I've actually found the biggest issue to be having a wallet and cell phone in my pants pockets instead of jacket pocket. Incidentally the worst pants I ever had to wear were my Judo gi pants.

So what's your experience like for training? Any big discrepancy in what you wear and what you train to fight in?
11/21/09 2:17 AM
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There is some good video on YouTube of Steve Maxwell doing a BJJ seminar this summer outside while wearing Vibrams. He trains in them quite a bit and has a blog about selecting footwear for barefoot training. I have a pair on (back)order as we speak and am really looking forward to trying them out both in the gym and on the street.

Once I went to the gym after buying a new pair of cargo shorts and didn't happen to have my gym bag. I figured shorts are shorts and as long as I wasn't doing too much grappling I would be ok. Three knees into a light timing round and they ripped all the way up one inseam to the crotch area. Hilarious.

Maybe you guys could answer this, because I know I am not the only nerd here - anybody ever do the fighting-mobility test in the dressing room when trying on pants? I do it every time.

That said, I have trained in jeans a few times, in shoes at the park a few times. I would like to try training in my regular street gear once in a while, thanks for a great practicality reminder.
11/21/09 2:20 AM
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Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8DmDusVTro
11/21/09 4:20 AM
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Yeah, I do the mobility test too. I've skipped it on some $10 jeans that fit fine for walking and looked decent, but everything else I do it.
11/21/09 6:22 AM
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Training in street clothes from time to time is a great idea. A lot of Gi chokes you could never use in MMA become very useful in a jacket. Also,when sparring,make sure to keep a soft/rubber knife in a pocket. Fights mutate.
11/21/09 10:39 AM
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Though it's probably a reasonable idea, do you play touch football in a suit and slick shoes just in case you run into a cool pickup game after church? I kid, but what are the chances of needing to do SD, period? What are the chances of needing SD when you're in dress clothes?

But, the idea of training chokes using regular clothes is a good one (evidence the DVD on Chris Haueter's T-Shirt Chokes). It makes more sense to me to always wear athletic wear type street clothes.
 
11/22/09 6:45 AM
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I've never been in a (street) fight in my gym gear,but I've been in a few in jeans,boots and a jacket. Of course,most people here dress pretty casual,so your street clothes might not be very different from your gym gear...
11/22/09 8:46 AM
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While I agree that most people won't get into a fight, if you are training martial arts for self defense purposes, it is something you should consider. If you're just doing it for sport or recreation then it doesn't really matter, but I'd wager a lot of people do do it for self defense reasons.
11/22/09 10:14 AM
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You guys are so weird. I find it much more normal to just wear a BJJ gi to my 9 to 5 job. That way I can be ready at all times.

When my gi is dirty, I wear my Chuck Norris kickin' jeans with gusseted crotch. Just in case I have to throw a spinning back kick to the head of an unruly business associate.

And as long as we are all dropping into the splits to test the mobility of our new Armani suits, do we all also make sure that we do a full battery of warm ups and strething every 20 minutes thoughout the entire day, just to make sure we are ready for all things at all times?

This would all be really funny...if it weren't so sad.
11/22/09 11:03 AM
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John Frankl - do we all also make sure that we do a full battery of warm ups and strething every 20 minutes thoughout the entire day, just to make sure we are ready for all things at all times?
Back in the day this was a concern. Between classes, I was usually pretty sore and it did cross my mind 'could I defend if someone tried to mug/attack me'. The answer, given I was pretty obsessed with 'kicking' would have been 'maybe, not', depending on the day or the situation.

Of course, the analogy might sustain when you consider how many BJJ and Judoka are injured frequently, walking around, or should I say 'limping', nursing a sore neck, hyperextended arm, or a pulled hamstring. IMO, what clothes you're wearing really don't matter if you really have to fight.

 


  
11/22/09 12:31 PM
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 John brings up a good point.

And I would add that not only should all crotches be gussetted but moreover a man  should never sit on a toilet without a gun in his hand, (U.S. politicians and Michael George notwithstanding)..

I mean, it's like having a 1/2 steel door on a fallout shelter when the roof is made of 14 gauge sheet metal, Right?
11/22/09 9:18 PM
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Thanks John! I thought I was the only one who wore his gi to the grocery store. You never know when some shit is likely to go down. It sucks going without shoes in the winter but what are you gonna do? You gotta be ready... Incidentally, where do you keep your wallet in your gi? I was looking for a cup with a money pouch built in...
11/23/09 7:57 AM
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Wallet in your gi? So 20th century!

I have a money black belt with a hidden zipper in it. I usually keep it full of nickels. I can't buy as much stuff as with quarters, but nickels are lower profile. And dimes are just too light. Yes, nickels make it just heavy enough to whip off and subdue any attacker--and attackers are everywhere! Plus, if I get my ass kicked (I have nightmares about this all the time...when I can actually get to sleep), the evil bad guys only make off with a couple dollars.
11/23/09 2:42 PM
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Of course, the analogy might sustain when you consider how many BJJ and Judoka are injured frequently, walking around, or should I say 'limping', nursing a sore neck, hyperextended arm, or a pulled hamstring. IMO, what clothes you're wearing really don't matter if you really have to fight.
  


That's another topic, which is also pretty important. I've got enough skill now that being injured is a serious detriment to my fighting ability, so I'm better off staying healthy, and a bit rusty than I am getting injured.
11/23/09 10:45 PM
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Of course, the analogy might sustain when you consider how many BJJ and Judoka are injured frequently, walking around, or should I say 'limping', nursing a sore neck, hyperextended arm, or a pulled hamstring. IMO, what clothes you're wearing really don't matter if you really have to fight.
  
That's another topic, which is also pretty important. I've got enough skill now that being injured is a serious detriment to my fighting ability, so I'm better off staying healthy, and a bit rusty than I am getting injured.
As I frequently remind folks, if you're well-trained in a MA, you have the -choice- to fight or not. You can even keep away from a would-be attacker due to evasive footwork. But if you're not trained the other guy gets to decide if you fight or not.

If you get my drift, remembering this makes it pretty easy to choose to de-escalate, defuse and walk away. Of course, if the opponent insists, then you can oblige up to the point of your choosing. Untrained people have no/fewer choices.

To me, this is the real value of fighting skill.

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12/14/09 2:09 PM
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JF- I just lost it w/reference of the "Chuck Norris kickin jeans"...used to sell MA supplies and this brought back some ole memories and a ton o laughs(sides are splittin,lol).
12/20/09 9:27 PM
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The first time my brother threw a roundhouse kick while wearing sneakers on carpet, he almost blew out his knee.

I was already into training with shoes on, but that was the last suggestion I needed.

I train with shoes all the time, unless I'm doing BJJ in the summer, or Judo (because they won't let me).

And FWIW, if I don't have shoes on, I grab the gi with my toes (which are, for some reason, freaky strong--maybe it was all those years growing up in barefoot Martial Arts).

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