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12/3/09 12:23 AM
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BJJkilla - lol now people are going to do the whole "oh look at this company, they have this shirt!"

resorting to having to dig through other clothing companies just shows they can't defend HR. if it looks like a nazi, uses nazi symbols, than it must be a nazi.

 what "nazi" symbols does HR use, please tell me....


after numerous pages and pictures showing how HR shirts are nazi inspired; people still act like they don't know?
12/3/09 12:23 AM
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KTT_Minowa - stop being stupid

you know why it is there

you don't put swastikas and ss lightning bolts in there without knowing what you are doing

there should be no issue here. if you want to support them, that is fine with me. just stop pretending.

this isn't as complicated as people are making it out to be
HR doesnt use swastikas or ss bolts....and even those have russian and german history pre dating hitler by centuries....

your arguement is flawed
 


they instead put there logo's where the swastikas and SS bolts should be. they can't be racist right?

 do you know how ignorant that sounds? Those helmets and uniforms were around years before the nazis, so just because the nazis switched out the pathes and replaced them with swastikas and ss bolt, those helmets and uniforms are all of a sudden not german but nazi? You are so ignorant. You slap german coulture in the face by saying that "where the swastika and ss bolts should be" that is a fucking insult man
12/3/09 12:28 AM
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We here at HR love German history...

Another interesting note, they made their myspace private today. 
i would love to hear yall explain this one
 
still waiting
 

i guess i cant go to church then since its a racist instatution according to your logic.....
 
12/3/09 12:35 AM
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KTT_Minowa - stop being stupid

you know why it is there

you don't put swastikas and ss lightning bolts in there without knowing what you are doing

there should be no issue here. if you want to support them, that is fine with me. just stop pretending.

this isn't as complicated as people are making it out to be
HR doesnt use swastikas or ss bolts....and even those have russian and german history pre dating hitler by centuries....

your arguement is flawed
 


they instead put there logo's where the swastikas and SS bolts should be. they can't be racist right?

 do you know how ignorant that sounds? Those helmets and uniforms were around years before the nazis, so just because the nazis switched out the pathes and replaced them with swastikas and ss bolt, those helmets and uniforms are all of a sudden not german but nazi? You are so ignorant. You slap german coulture in the face by saying that "where the swastika and ss bolts should be" that is a fucking insult man


oh ffs

the ironic thing is you espouse history but fail to recognize the effects.

in western society and ESPECIALLY in contemporary germany, those symbols are synonymous with the nazi regime.

i'm sorry you can't accept that as the truth. putting those symbols(another thing you can't accept) on your product is going to bring about this perception.

there is no way around it.
12/3/09 12:38 AM
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We here at HR love German history...

Another interesting note, they made their myspace private today. 
i would love to hear yall explain this one
 
still waiting
 

i guess i cant go to church then since its a racist instatution according to your logic.....
 


again, if you can't recognize the difference in perception you are just delusional or ignorant.

put down the history books and get some first hand lessons in sociology and symbolism in the 20th and 21st centuries
12/3/09 12:45 AM
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We here at HR love German history...

Another interesting note, they made their myspace private today. 


Top image is the Hoelzer Reich flag from their myspace page

Second image is the "SS Heimwehr Danzig flag" (a WWII polish SS division formed in 1939 by Himmler)
12/3/09 12:45 AM
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 so you admit its all about perception? you percieve it as racist cause your ignorant, i percieve it as german culture, add the fact that they dont use any racist symbols, and only use symbols that were around well before hitler, and its clear...

and lol at you saying put down books. you are the idiot with no historical knowledge to back up your witch hunt
12/3/09 12:48 AM
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 whatever its useless. None of you have any coultue, it sucks some faggit socialist tainted german symbology forever, but im not going to to let that stop me from enjoying it for what it is, my familys history
12/3/09 12:49 AM
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i really hope you are trolling and not this out of touch
12/3/09 12:52 AM
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 When you look at the SS uniform rank chart



you can see that the HR tshirt figures use the SS insignia on their uniforms.


12/3/09 12:53 AM
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this is like the Da Vinci code Nazi edition hehe.
12/3/09 1:01 AM
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olivercromwell - A friend of mine just told me that his grandmother just saw a picture of Jed on his computer screen. She recognised him as a guard at Auschwitz, she said that even though he was a lot older that she would never forget his eyes.


Cheers

 that is not even remotely funny man....you just made the death of millions into a joke.
12/3/09 10:11 AM
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olivercromwell - A friend of mine just told me that his grandmother just saw a picture of Jed on his computer screen. She recognised him as a guard at Auschwitz, she said that even though he was a lot older that she would never forget his eyes.


Cheers

 that is not even remotely funny man....you just made the death of millions into a joke.


The death of one is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic.. and a joke.
12/3/09 12:42 PM
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 ttt. pretty much all the good evidence is in this thread from what ive seen. in some of the other threads the trolls are STILL trying to start an argument about the iron cross as their main point
12/3/09 1:48 PM
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A couple of mma writers/bloggers have linked to this thread, but obviously haven't read any of it as they're *still* talking about iron crosses and making excuses for these guys.

The dude at fightlinker is one, he wrote his article yesterday. Disappointing and irresponsible imo.

All the guy would have to do is take a quick look at their myspace friends and other german history lovers such as: white pride world wide, Waffen SS hunting party, American Front and firm 22 (the vinlanders skinhead group from indiana) not to mention several 14/88 type names.

I know I have all these people as friends on MY page!
12/3/09 1:50 PM
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fortheloveofMMA -  ^^^btw isnt that spiderweb a symbol used by nazi prison gangs?
 
Kimbo Slice has a spider web tattoo on his right elbow.

Is Kimbo a Nazi? 
There are plenty of good reasons to think Hoelzer Reich is racist, but spider web designs and iron crosses are not among them.
12/3/09 1:58 PM
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Are you really Shim0ra?

Bc this is really disappointing and irresponsible trolling, very sub par

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12/3/09 2:00 PM
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lookoutawhale -  When you look at the SS uniform rank chart



you can see that the HR tshirt figures use the SS insignia on their uniforms.






It's pretty hard to argue against this bro. You guys are wanna be nazi faggots.
12/3/09 2:32 PM
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Steve4192 - Kimbo Slice has a spider web tattoo on his right elbow. Is Kimbo a Nazi? There are plenty of good reasons to think Hoelzer Reich is racist, but spider web designs and iron crosses are not among them.


As soon as you point out that the symbols are commonly used by others, these guys change strategy and claim that its not the symbols that bother them, its the connection to westwall..blah, blah, blah.

Which just goes to prove its nothing more than a witch hunt. 
wtf are you talking about?  it's the fucking ss uniforms and insignias.  are those commonly used symbols?  no...they were only used by one group you troll.  
12/3/09 2:40 PM
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IT'S THREADS LIKE THESE THAT MAKE THE UG THE BEST!!!!!!

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12/3/09 2:43 PM
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hmeboy - A couple of mma writers/bloggers have linked to this thread, but obviously haven't read any of it as they're *still* talking about iron crosses and making excuses for these guys.

The dude at fightlinker is one, he wrote his article yesterday. Disappointing and irresponsible imo.

All the guy would have to do is take a quick look at their myspace friends and other german history lovers such as: white pride world wide, Waffen SS hunting party, American Front and firm 22 (the vinlanders skinhead group from indiana) not to mention several 14/88 type names.

I know I have all these people as friends on MY page!

I don't put much stock in what Fightlinker has to say about anything. They're basically a shock value trolling blog site, so no biggie that they don't see things like the majority of humans.
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Steve4192 - Kimbo Slice has a spider web tattoo on his right elbow. Is Kimbo a Nazi? There are plenty of good reasons to think Hoelzer Reich is racist, but spider web designs and iron crosses are not among them.


As soon as you point out that the symbols are commonly used by others, these guys change strategy and claim that its not the symbols that bother them, its the connection to westwall..blah, blah, blah.


It's not a "change of strategy," it's an attempt to point out deliberate links to the neo-nazi and WP scene that Hoelzer Reich was cultivating before they got called out on it here, which - along with using nazi-related "German military" symbols exclusively on their designs (including incomplete photoshops that don't even have the SS insignia removed or changed to the HR logo) - suggests that HR isn't being truthful about the extent of their connection to/involvement with neo-nazi groups and individuals.

Like I said before, it's not just the symbols - it's the use of symbols AND the fact that HR sponsored nazis and then tried to lie about it which is suspicious. You bitching about people have more than one interconnected complaint or criticism of HR is the equivalent of a defense attorney objecting to the introduction of witness testimony AND evidence against their client.

In other words, LOL@"you"
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PPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF....what a load of hot air. Just shut the whining queefhole under your nose already...


LOL, you've posted more on these threads than I have bro. I guess it's worthwhile to argue about this stuff until you run out of stupid D-level race trolling replies but still want to think of yourself as having won somehow? ;)
12/3/09 2:55 PM
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RenatoCocopreta is a known OG white supremacist. I support his right to hate.
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dude, i let you in on a little secret. he's trolling.

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