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11/30/09 1:56 AM
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 not good for nick...

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=10114&zoneid=13

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There has been a lot of controversy over the use of “Medical Marijuana” and how it affects drug testing for mixed martial artists in California.

The California State Athletic Commission recently issued a statement declaring its stance on Medical Marijuana as it relates to drug testing for athletes it licenses.

The Commission made it clear that legal use via Proposition 215, also known as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996, in California does not negate disciplinary action due to a positive drug test result in relation to events overseen by the CSAC.

“The California State Athletic Commission's position is that Marijuana is a banned substance pursuant to Rule 303 and that any positive drug test may result in discipline,” read the statement.

The Commission stated that a Supreme Court ruling in the case of Ross v. RagingWire Telecomm “found that an employer may discipline an employee for off-duty medical marijuana use.”

In the case of athletes licensed to compete, an athletic commission isn’t an employer per se. The CSAC, however, argued its case, saying, “Because the Compassionate Use Act only provides a defense to criminal charges, any argument that the Act would allow an athlete to use the drug without consequences to his or her license must fail. If the Court were to take up a similar challenge to discipline of a licensee, it would likely find that the Commission has a legitimate interest in whether or not an athlete uses the drug because marijuana could slow a fighter's reflexes and endanger his or her health and safety in the ring or the cage.”
11/30/09 2:00 AM
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11/30/09 3:40 AM
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RedVexx - Thats ridiculous. If I had to fight Nick I would rather him be smoking during his training camp. You would have a better chance of him showing up outta shape.

lol like he did against gomi?

sounds like they dont have to do anything about this, but they're taking an anti marijuana stance. fuckin politics.
11/30/09 10:29 AM
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 good. pot addicts pretending its their medicine dont get a free pass
11/30/09 10:33 AM
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ranier wolfcastle -  good. pot addicts pretending its their medicine dont get a free pass

you sir, obviously know fuck-all about shit...
11/30/09 10:48 AM
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I have no problem with that position.

The SAC's ban all kinds of legal drugs.  Certain antihistamines, anti-anxiety drugs, painkillers, ADD medications and many others are banned.  No reason Marijuana should get a free pass. 

If Tim Credeur can't take his Adderal while preparing for a fight, then Nick Diaz shouldn't be allowed to smoke weed to treat the same ailment.
11/30/09 10:51 AM
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"found that an employer may discipline an employee for off-duty medical marijuana use."


discrimination imo...
11/30/09 10:56 AM
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The CSAC will lose in court. A legally prescribed medication for a medical problem resulting in the loss of a license. Pot head wins every time.
11/30/09 11:03 AM
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eyegore - The CSAC will lose in court. A legally prescribed medication for a medical problem resulting in the loss of a license. Pot head wins every time.

 Bull.

Medical Marijuana laws protect Californians from criminal prosecution by the state.  They don't guarantee them a right to compete in a sport that already has bans on a number of perfectly legal drugs.  There are a ton of over-the-counter ahtihistamines and dieuretics that are banned as well as a number of prescription drugs, including drugs that designed to treat the very same condition that Diaz was prescribed weed to treat.
11/30/09 12:06 PM
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11/30/09 12:11 PM
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Many drugs are banned, but are they banned if the fighter has a prescription, many athletic commission grant an exception if it is doctor prescribed. If this is the case in Cali (I not from those parts) than medical pot will get the same pass as the other prescriptions. (after an appeal)
11/30/09 12:30 PM
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Monsters Ball - CSAC should consider disallowing marijuana only during actual events. If they give a random test 5 weeks out from an event they shouldn't penalize somebody at that point for marijuana if they have a doctor prescription.

That seems more reasonable since they base their ban on protecting fighters during actual competition.

 Yeah, it would be like suspending a fighter because he got drunk at some point during his training camp.

As long as he's not high/drunk on fight night, who cares?
11/30/09 12:41 PM
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orcus - Monsters Ball - CSAC should consider disallowing marijuana only during actual events. If they give a random test 5 weeks out from an event they shouldn't penalize somebody at that point for marijuana if they have a doctor prescription.That seems more reasonable since they base their ban on protecting fighters during actual competition. Yeah, it would be like suspending a fighter because he got drunk at some point during his training camp. As long as he's not high/drunk on fight night, who cares?

Genius ^^^^
11/30/09 1:22 PM
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If Weed is a banned substance, then alcohol should be a banned substance.

The American pot laws are retarded on so many levels I wouldn't even know where to begin.
11/30/09 1:24 PM
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Is there a site that lists all banned substances by AC's?
11/30/09 1:39 PM
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 CSAC is such a bunch of fags.
11/30/09 1:44 PM
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11/30/09 2:04 PM
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If Weed is a banned substance, then alcohol should be a banned substance.

--I could not agree more. The argument that pot *might* make someone have slower reaction times, can also be said of alcohol and with the extra benefit of *possibly* making someone less likely to feel pain. 'Extra' only if you do not believe CSACs prior ruling against Diaz that pot somehow enhanced his ability to take punishment and reduce pain even though there is no case study that proves this. If it *might* happen, its good enough for CSAC, with or without evidence or facts.
11/30/09 2:08 PM
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ranier wolfcastle -  good. pot addicts pretending its their medicine dont get a free pass



fuck off !
11/30/09 3:54 PM
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Monsters Ball - CSAC should consider disallowing marijuana only during actual events. If they give a random test 5 weeks out from an event they shouldn't penalize somebody at that point for marijuana if they have a doctor prescription.

That seems more reasonable since they base their ban on protecting fighters during actual competition.

  yeah.. the csac is basing their ruling that an employer can discipline an off-duty employee... csac is assuming that they are the employer until the courts say otherwise...  should be interesting if a lawsuit does develop over this especially since the csac is so damn crooked.. 
11/30/09 4:31 PM
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yea but let them try to fire a minority, female, or homosexual employee for poor performance or causing drama at work~they get fined for discrimination. but an "addict" using medication that is prescribed gets fired? fucking bullshit in my opinion. we got union employees that play cards and drink beer all night a general motors assembly plants, but smoke a joint a week or two before a fight or smoke the night before you go into work and go in sober and then get drug tested~and fired. we got shit fucked up in this country. pot should be legal. you should not need a prescription. until people start smoking as if they are free and chalk up the jail time, this whiteslavery will continue. it is bullshit and i, for one, refuse to acknowledge that law.
12/1/09 10:38 AM
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Monsters Ball - CSAC should consider disallowing marijuana only during actual events. If they give a random test 5 weeks out from an event they shouldn't penalize somebody at that point for marijuana if they have a doctor prescription.

That seems more reasonable since they base their ban on protecting fighters during actual competition.


The only problem, marijuana, unlike more hardcore drugs ie coke, speed, heroin etc, stays in your system for some time, up to several months in some cases. This is of course subject to the determined cut off levels as set by the CSAC. Quite possibly, spliff today and fail drug test 3 to 4 months from now. Interestingly, I may be incorrect, I do believe that LSD and the wacky cactus juice aren't tested for. Watching fighters on LSD, that would be an event in itself.
12/1/09 12:17 PM
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12/1/09 12:25 PM
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until people start smoking as if they are free and chalk up the jail time, this whiteslavery will continue. it is bullshit and i, for one, refuse to acknowledge that law.

You're not gunning for a Hoezler Reich sponsorship are you?

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